From: r baxter <baxrob-AT-gmail.com>
Date: 30 Apr 2012 18:40:02 UTC   (01:40:02 PM in author's locale)
To: Situationist <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>

no doubt you have all seen this: www.youtube.com/watch
but ..
i kant hear above the din. rabble noise commentary. story of life.

just griping here. /ignore

what next? china. mostly. walls. more walls, please. i think
calvino said that. maybe kafka. please never listen.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Situationist
<situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org> wrote:
> situationist Digest - Thursday, March 12, 2009
>
>  Re: cut-up (esp. for Vikki)
>          by "Free Mod" <freemod-AT-free.fr>
>  Re: cut-up (esp. for Vikki)
>          by "Free Mod" <freemod-AT-free.fr>
>  Re: what's happening to my emails?!
>          by "P.B." <pbear357-AT-earthlink.net>
>
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> Subject: Re: cut-up (esp. for Vikki)
> From: "Free Mod" <freemod-AT-free.fr>
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:36:26 +0100
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> english is your language...
>
>
>> regarded as belonging to
>
> this statement doesn't mean "they belong to"
>
>
>> so much from that time quoted the Dadaists...
>
> It was very clear to me since I was 14 years old, but I have no
> problem to deal with smarty pants... they are hot!
>
>
> Love,
> Free Mod
>
>
>
> Il giorno 12/mar/09, alle ore 04:17, Vikki Riley ha scritto:
>
>> FM,
>>
>> who said these aforementioned groups belonged in the 80s?
>> Its becoming clear isn't it that so much from that time quoted the
>> Dadaists, situationists.
>> you haven't worked that out yet?
>> it was all over by 1982 at least.
>>
>> vikki, seriously
>>
>>
>> On 3/12/09, Free Mod <freemod-AT-free.fr> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Most of bands regarded as belonging to the '80s truely started in
>> the '70s
>> (Joy Division, Cure, Suicide...)
>>
>>
>> But are you seriuosly taking my joke as serious statement (?)
>>
>>
>> Anyway, I did not mean it as a trap for clever clogs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Love,
>> FM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Il giorno 11/mar/09, alle ore 19:58, Ray Seraphin ha scritto:
>>
>>> I think the original Zurich Dadaists came up with what we know as
>>> the cut up method.  Brion Gysin is often credited though.
>>>
>>> "The world cannot forget Dada.
>>> The unpaid debt of the Dadabank.
>>> The world is (still) Dada."
>>> -AdnauseaDada
>>>
>>> Cabaret Voltaire (the band) started in 1973 or 4.  But yeah, they
>>> are an '80's band, I guess.  It's a bit of a Mix-Up.
>>>
>>> Knowitallism.
>>>
>>> "What can you do when the cut-up method is dead and everything's
>>> been said?"
>>>
>>> "Plagiarism is necessary.  Progress implies it."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Free Mod <freemod-AT-free.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Free Mod <freemod-AT-free.fr>
>>> Subject: Re: cut-up (esp. for Vikki)
>>> To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
>>> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 9:32 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> it's funny to see how quickly you miss the sense of irony
>>> less clear to me the reasons why we skip too easily from one point
>>> to others on this list
>>> often a subject becomes a chance for smarty-pants, clever-clogs,
>>> know-all shoowing off
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Love,
>>> FM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Il giorno 11/mar/09, alle ore 05:27, Vikki Riley ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> Mi Scusa
>>>>
>>>> Cabaret Voltaire was a cafe in Zurich at the beginning of the
>>>> 20th century.Tristan Tzara used to play cards there with Lenin.
>>>>
>>>> nag nag nag
>>>> Vikki
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/11/09, Free Mod <freemod-AT-free.fr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Again
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "cut-up-from-beat-hotel" was text cut-up, I was talking about this !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cabaret Voltaire is a band from the Eighties
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Beat Hotel started at the end of Fifties
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You invented everything!
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Love,
>>>> Free Mod
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Il giorno 11/mar/09, alle ore 03:18, Vikki Riley ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>>> No not only writing, the Cabaret Voltaire..the beats invented
>>>>> nothing
>>>>>
>>>>> Vikki
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Free Mod <freemod-AT-free.fr> wrote:
>>>>> Vikki:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes sure
>>>>> I agree with you
>>>>> But I just meant "cut-up" in that form, known as "cut-up-from-
>>>>> beat-hotel"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Otherwise I would tell you that cutting texts has always been a
>>>>> normal praxis used for centuries by philosophers and
>>>>> "amanuenses" monks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Love,
>>>>> Free Mod
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Il giorno 11/mar/09, alle ore 02:15, Vikki Riley ha scritto:
>>>>>
>>>>>> FreeMod
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cut up invented by Appollinaire, late 19th century.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vikki
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:58 PM, richard haden
>>>>>> <richard_haden-AT-yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> intertextuality is not to stress the author, it is to embody
>>>>>> the viewer. The readability of the text is enhanced by new
>>>>>> associations of existing text...even, mixed with new text--of
>>>>>> non linear or not in traditional narrative style. The new
>>>>>> associations act as conflations, NOT based on chronologically
>>>>>> ordered sequencing of cause and effect...The point is not to
>>>>>> secretly hide the traditional author; the point is to blatantly
>>>>>> spoy light the viewer / reader. The difference is that the
>>>>>> classic one way mono-voice of the subject / author exchange is
>>>>>> changed...texts, films, installations, new media and so on,
>>>>>> becomes new forms of readability that leads to writeability--
>>>>>> the subject is forced to interpret. By the shift in subject of
>>>>>> author to relocated subject as activated / engaged, viewer,
>>>>>> interesting things can happen...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> your words:  We Are Powerful
>>>>>>>>   We Are Situationists
>>>>>>>>   We Are Even More Powerful Being Post-Situationists
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> were just handy at the time to spin. I like the idea of a
>>>>>>>> Post-situationist stance. And I like that label because new
>>>>>>>> media and alternative media strategies exist in the arts to
>>>>>>>> serve the same end--to counter alienation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard Haden
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Free Mod <freemod-AT-free..fr>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To: Situationist <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 10:59:04 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: notes on creative-messing-posting-writing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> intertextuality, in that way you did some post before, is
>>>>>> closer to "a way to stress one's own presence (You) and hide
>>>>>> someone else presence in the dialogue" (Laurie Colson): Laurie
>>>>>> topic and meanings went lost; my answer was referred to those
>>>>>> meanings! (now you're thinking: I know I know, but that's
>>>>>> creative writing)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Creative writing is a little bit different: you start with a
>>>>>> white blank page, you hide names (or invent new ones if you
>>>>>> need interlocutors)... then you freely use words and phrases in
>>>>>> order to mean what you mean.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laurie:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we always think in linear fashion... does your thinking
>>>>>> "appears" bended to others or to you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> anyway, Cut Up was not invented by Burroughs. It was an usual
>>>>>> praxis at Beat Hotel in St. Germain in Paris.
>>>>>> On my opinion, the first to introduce it was Sinclair Beiles,
>>>>>> he died on 2002.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Beiles
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to tell you a typical cut up experience. In the late '80
>>>>>> we invited him to make some lectures at University in Italy and
>>>>>> I recorded them with a '70s Revox stereo recorder. The next
>>>>>> decade I used a recorded piece to make a song, Mao Tse! (as the
>>>>>> original poetry)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the early '60 Sinclair Beiles wrote a very long poem called
>>>>>> "Stalin"... after a while, together with Burroughs and Gysin, a
>>>>>> Cut-Up was made and Mao Tse was born!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If somebody wants to listen to it, ask please (we cannot send
>>>>>> heavy files to whole list)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Love,
>>>>>> Free Mod
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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> <HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; > -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV><BR > class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>english is your > language...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR>  class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE > type="cite">regarded as belonging to </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR > class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>this statement doesn't mean > "they belong to"</DIV><DIV><BR > class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR > class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">so > much from that time quoted the Dadaists...</BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR > class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>It was very clear to me > since I was 14 years old, but I have no problem to deal with smarty > pants... they are hot!</DIV><DIV><BR > class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR > class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Love,</DIV><DIV>Free > Mod</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR > class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>Il giorno > 12/mar/09, alle ore 04:17, Vikki Riley ha scritto:</DIV><BR > class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE > type="cite"><DIV>FM,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>who said these > aforementioned groups belonged in the 80s?</DIV> <DIV>Its becoming clear > isn't it that so much from that time quoted the Dadaists, > situationists.</DIV> <DIV>you haven't worked that out yet?</DIV> <DIV>it > was all over by 1982 at least.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>vikki, > seriously<BR><BR> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 3/12/09, > <B class="gmail_sendername">Free Mod</B> <<A > href="mailto:freemod-AT-free.fr">freemod-AT-free.fr</A>> wrote:</SPAN> > <BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: > 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <DIV style="WORD-WRAP: > break-word"> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Most of bands regarded as belonging > to the '80s truely started in the '70s</DIV> <DIV>(Joy Division, Cure, > Suicide...)</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>But are you seriuosly taking > my joke as serious statement (?) </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV>Anyway, I > did not mean it as a trap for clever clogs. <DIV><BR> </DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Love,</DIV> <DIV>FM</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV>Il giorno 11/mar/09, alle ore > 19:58, Ray Seraphin ha scritto:</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class="e" > id="q_11ff89d5f20756cf_1"><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <TABLE > cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"> <TBODY><TR><TD > valign="top"> <DIV>I think the original Zurich Dadaists came up with > what we know as the cut up method.  Brion Gysin is often credited > though.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"The world cannot forget Dada.</DIV> > <DIV>The unpaid debt of the Dadabank.</DIV> <DIV>The world is (still) > Dada."</DIV> <DIV>-AdnauseaDada</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cabaret > Voltaire (the band) started in 1973 or 4.  But yeah, they are an '80's > band, I guess.  It's a bit of a Mix-Up.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV>Knowitallism.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"What can you do when the > cut-up method is dead and everything's been said?"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV>"Plagiarism is necessary.  Progress implies it."</DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 3/11/09, Free Mod <I><<A > onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" > href="mailto:freemod-AT-free.fr" > target="_blank">freemod-AT-free.fr</A>></I></B> wrote:<BR> </DIV> > <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: > rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Free Mod <<A onclick="return > top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:freemod-AT-free.fr" > target="_blank">freemod-AT-free.fr</A>><BR> Subject: Re: cut-up (esp. > for Vikki)<BR>To: "Situationist" <<A onclick="return > top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" > href="mailto:situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org" > target="_blank">situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org</A>><BR> Date: > Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 9:32 AM<BR><BR> <DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV>it's funny to see how quickly you miss the sense of > irony <DIV>less clear to me the reasons why we skip too easily from > one point to others on this list  </DIV> <DIV>often a subject > becomes a chance for smarty-pants, clever-clogs, know-all shoowing > off</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Love,</DIV> > <DIV>FM</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV>Il giorno > 11/mar/09, alle ore 05:27, Vikki Riley ha scritto:</DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE > type="cite"> <DIV>Mi Scusa</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cabaret Voltaire > was a cafe in Zurich at the beginning of the 20th century.Tristan Tzara > used to play cards there with Lenin.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>nag nag > nag</DIV> <DIV>Vikki<BR><BR> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On > 3/11/09, <B class="gmail_sendername">Free Mod</B> <<A > onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" > href="http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=freemod-AT-free.fr" > target="_blank" rel="nofollow">freemod-AT-free.fr</A>> wrote:</SPAN> > <BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: > 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <DIV style="WORD-WRAP: > break-word"> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Again<SPAN></SPAN></DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="COLOR: > rgb(0,0,221)">"cut-up-from-beat-hotel" was text cut-up, I was talking > about <FONT color="#910907">this</FONT> !</SPAN></DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>:-)</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Cabaret > Voltaire is a band from the Eighties</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Beat > Hotel started at the end of Fifties</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>You > invented everything!</DIV> <DIV>:-)</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Love,</DIV> <DIV>Free Mod</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV>>  <DIV><BR> </DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV>Il giorno 11/mar/09, alle ore 03:18, > Vikki Riley ha scritto:</DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV>No not > only writing, the Cabaret Voltaire..the beats invented nothing</DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Vikki<BR><BR> </DIV> <DIV class="gmail_quote">On > Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Free Mod <SPAN dir="ltr"><<A > onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" > href="http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=freemod-AT-free.fr" > target="_blank" rel="nofollow">freemod-AT-free.fr</A>></SPAN> > wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; > MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <DIV > style="WORD-WRAP: break-word"> <DIV>Vikki:</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV>Yes > sure <DIV>I agree with you</DIV> <DIV><SPAN>But I just meant "cut-up" in > <FONT color="#910907">that</FONT> form, known as > "cut-up-from-beat-hotel"</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Otherwise > I would tell you that cutting texts has always been a normal praxis used > for centuries by philosophers and "amanuenses" monks.</DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Love,</DIV> <DIV>Free > Mod</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV>Il giorno 11/mar/09, > alle ore 02:15, Vikki Riley ha scritto:</DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE > type="cite"> <DIV>FreeMod</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cut up invented by > Appollinaire, late 19th century.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV>Vikki<BR><BR> </DIV> <DIV class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 10, > 2009 at 12:58 PM, richard haden <SPAN dir="ltr"><<A onclick="return>  top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" > href="http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=richard_haden@yahoo> .com" target="_blank" > rel="nofollow">richard_haden-AT-yahoo.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR> > <BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: > 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <DIV> <DIV > style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> > <DIV>intertextuality is not to stress the author, it is to embody the > viewer. The readability of the text is enhanced by new associations of > existing text...even, mixed with new text--of non linear or not in > traditional narrative style. The new associations act as conflations, > NOT based on chronologically ordered sequencing of cause and > effect...The point is not to secretly hide the traditional author; the > point is to blatantly spoy light the viewer / reader. The difference is > that the classic one way mono-voice of the subject / author exchange is > changed...texts, films, installations, new media and so on, becomes new > forms of readability that leads to writeability--the subject is forced > to interpret. By the shift in subject of author to relocated subject as > activated / engaged, viewer, interesting things can happen...</DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>your words:  <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: > 'Times New Roman'">We Are Powerful</SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">>  <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'times new > roman'"> <DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: 'times new > roman'"><FONT face="Times New Roman">  We Are > Situationists</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: > 'times new roman'"><FONT face="Times New Roman">  We Are Even More > Powerful Being Post-Situationists</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: > 0px; FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman'"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: > large"><BR></SPAN></DIV></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: > 'times new roman'"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: large">were just handy at > the time to spin. I like the idea of a Post-situationist stance. And I > like that label because new media and alternative media strategies exist > in the arts to serve the same end--to counter alienation.</SPAN></DIV> > <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman'"><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: large"> </SPAN></DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Richard > Haden</DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, > helvetica, sans-serif"><BR> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: > times new roman, new york, times, serif"><FONT face="Tahoma" size="2">>  <HR size="1"> <DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: > bold">From:</SPAN></B> Free Mod <<A onclick="return > top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" > href="http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=freemod-AT-free.fr" > target="_blank" rel="nofollow">freemod-AT-free..fr</A>><BR>  </DIV> > <DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Situationist > <<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" > href="http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=situationist@lists.> .nothingness.org" target="_blank" > rel="nofollow">situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org</A>><BR> >  </DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, > March 9, 2009 10:59:04 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: > bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: notes on > creative-messing-posting-writing<BR></FONT> <DIV><BR> <DIV><BR> </DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Richard:</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> > <DIV>intertextuality, in that way you did some post before, is closer to > "a way to stress one's own presence (You) and hide someone else > presence in the dialogue" (Laurie Colson): Laurie topic and meanings > went lost; my answer was referred to those meanings! (now you're > thinking: I know I know, but that's creative writing)</DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Creative writing is a little bit different: you > start with a white blank page, you hide names (or invent new ones if you > need interlocutors)... then you freely use words and phrases in order to > mean what you mean.</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> > <DIV>Laurie:</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>we always think in linear > fashion... does your thinking "appears" bended to others or to > you?</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>anyway, Cut Up was not invented by > Burroughs. It was an usual praxis at Beat Hotel in St. Germain in > Paris.</DIV> <DIV>On my opinion, the first to introduce it was Sinclair > Beiles, he died on 2002. </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV><A > onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" > href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Beiles" target="_blank" > rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Beiles</A></DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>I want to tell you a typical cut up > experience. In the late '80 we invited him to make some lectures at > University in Italy and I recorded them with a '70s Revox stereo > recorder. The next decade I used a recorded piece to make a song, Mao > Tse! (as the original poetry)</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>In the early > '60 Sinclair Beiles wrote a very long poem called "Stalin"... after a > while, together with Burroughs and Gysin, a Cut-Up was made and Mao Tse > was born!</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>:-)</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> > <DIV>If somebody wants to listen to it, ask please (we cannot send heavy > files to whole list)</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> > <DIV>Love, </DIV> <DIV>Free Mod</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV> > <DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR> </> DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR> </DIV></BLOCKQU> OTE></DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR> </DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR>></TBODY></TABLE> > <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN></DIV></DIV><BR> </DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>>
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> Subject: Re: cut-up (esp. for Vikki)
> From: "Free Mod" <freemod-AT-free.fr>
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> Since we have you, I just need half of the scissors
>
> (just to give a chance to your immortal sense of humour)
>
>
> FM
>
> Il giorno 12/mar/09, alle ore 04:22, Vikki Riley ha scritto:
>
>> Ok do you need some scissors there?
>>
>> Vikki
>>
>>
>> On 3/12/09, Free Mod <freemod-AT-free.fr> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ;-))
>>
>>
>> you're a special one, foxy lady
>>
>>
>> I am not copying Mr Gray
>> I am just cutting him up
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> FM
>>
>>
>>
>> Il giorno 12/mar/09, alle ore 04:14, Vikki Riley ha scritto:
>>
>>> FreeMod
>>> Why are you copying Mr Gray?
>>>
>>> vikki
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Free Mod <freemod-AT-free.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> it's funny to see how quickly you miss the sense of irony
>>> less clear to me the reasons why we skip too easily from one point
>>> to others on this list
>>> often a subject becomes a chance for smarty-pants, clever-clogs,
>>> know-all shoowing off
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Love,
>>> FM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Il giorno 11/mar/09, alle ore 05:27, Vikki Riley ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> Mi Scusa
>>>>
>>>> Cabaret Voltaire was a cafe in Zurich at the beginning of the
>>>> 20th century.Tristan Tzara used to play cards there with Lenin.
>>>>
>>>> nag nag nag
>>>> Vikki
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/11/09, Free Mod <freemod-AT-free.fr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Again
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "cut-up-from-beat-hotel" was text cut-up, I was talking about this !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cabaret Voltaire is a band from the Eighties
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Beat Hotel started at the end of Fifties
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You invented everything!
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Love,
>>>> Free Mod
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Il giorno 11/mar/09, alle ore 03:18, Vikki Riley ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>>> No not only writing, the Cabaret Voltaire..the beats invented
>>>>> nothing
>>>>>
>>>>> Vikki
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Free Mod <freemod-AT-free.fr> wrote:
>>>>> Vikki:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes sure
>>>>> I agree with you
>>>>> But I just meant "cut-up" in that form, known as "cut-up-from-
>>>>> beat-hotel"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Otherwise I would tell you that cutting texts has always been a
>>>>> normal praxis used for centuries by philosophers and
>>>>> "amanuenses" monks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Love,
>>>>> Free Mod
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Il giorno 11/mar/09, alle ore 02:15, Vikki Riley ha scritto:
>>>>>
>>>>>> FreeMod
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cut up invented by Appollinaire, late 19th century.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vikki
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:58 PM, richard haden
>>>>>> <richard_haden-AT-yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> intertextuality is not to stress the author, it is to embody
>>>>>> the viewer. The readability of the text is enhanced by new
>>>>>> associations of existing text...even, mixed with new text--of
>>>>>> non linear or not in traditional narrative style. The new
>>>>>> associations act as conflations, NOT based on chronologically
>>>>>> ordered sequencing of cause and effect...The point is not to
>>>>>> secretly hide the traditional author; the point is to blatantly
>>>>>> spoy light the viewer / reader. The difference is that the
>>>>>> classic one way mono-voice of the subject / author exchange is
>>>>>> changed...texts, films, installations, new media and so on,
>>>>>> becomes new forms of readability that leads to writeability--
>>>>>> the subject is forced to interpret. By the shift in subject of
>>>>>> author to relocated subject as activated / engaged, viewer,
>>>>>> interesting things can happen...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> your words:  We Are Powerful
>>>>>>>>   We Are Situationists
>>>>>>>>   We Are Even More Powerful Being Post-Situationists
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> were just handy at the time to spin. I like the idea of a
>>>>>>>> Post-situationist stance. And I like that label because new
>>>>>>>> media and alternative media strategies exist in the arts to
>>>>>>>> serve the same end--to counter alienation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard Haden
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Free Mod <freemod-AT-free.fr>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To: Situationist <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 10:59:04 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: notes on creative-messing-posting-writing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> intertextuality, in that way you did some post before, is
>>>>>> closer to "a way to stress one's own presence (You) and hide
>>>>>> someone else presence in the dialogue" (Laurie Colson): Laurie
>>>>>> topic and meanings went lost; my answer was referred to those
>>>>>> meanings! (now you're thinking: I know I know, but that's
>>>>>> creative writing)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Creative writing is a little bit different: you start with a
>>>>>> white blank page, you hide names (or invent new ones if you
>>>>>> need interlocutors)... then you freely use words and phrases in
>>>>>> order to mean what you mean.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laurie:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we always think in linear fashion... does your thinking
>>>>>> "appears" bended to others or to you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> anyway, Cut Up was not invented by Burroughs. It was an usual
>>>>>> praxis at Beat Hotel in St. Germain in Paris.
>>>>>> On my opinion, the first to introduce it was Sinclair Beiles,
>>>>>> he died on 2002.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Beiles
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to tell you a typical cut up experience. In the late '80
>>>>>> we invited him to make some lectures at University in Italy and
>>>>>> I recorded them with a '70s Revox stereo recorder. The next
>>>>>> decade I used a recorded piece to make a song, Mao Tse! (as the
>>>>>> original poetry)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the early '60 Sinclair Beiles wrote a very long poem called
>>>>>> "Stalin"... after a while, together with Burroughs and Gysin, a
>>>>>> Cut-Up was made and Mao Tse was born!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If somebody wants to listen to it, ask please (we cannot send
>>>>>> heavy files to whole list)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Love,
>>>>>> Free Mod
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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> <HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; > -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV><BR > class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>Since we have you, I just need > half of the scissors<DIV><BR > class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>(just to give a chance to > your immortal sense of humour)</DIV><DIV><BR > class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR > class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>FM</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>Il>  giorno 12/mar/09, alle ore 04:22, Vikki Riley ha scritto:</DIV><BR > class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV>Ok do > you need some scissors there?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV>Vikki<BR><BR> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 3/12/09, > <B class="gmail_sendername">Free Mod</B> <<A > href="mailto:freemod-AT-free.fr">freemod-AT-free.fr</A>> wrote:</SPAN> > <BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: > 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <DIV style="WORD-WRAP: > break-word"> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>;-))</DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>you're a special one, foxy lady</DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>I am not copying Mr Gray</DIV> <DIV>I am just > cutting him up</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>FM</DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV>Il giorno 12/mar/09, alle ore 04:14, > Vikki Riley ha scritto:</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class="e" > id="q_11ff8b2b029fd587_1"><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> > <DIV>FreeMod</DIV> <DIV>Why are you copying Mr Gray?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV>vikki<BR><BR> </DIV> <DIV class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 11, > 2009 at 7:02 PM, Free Mod <SPAN dir="ltr"><<A onclick="return > top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:freemod-AT-free.fr" > target="_blank">freemod-AT-free.fr</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE > class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px > 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <DIV style="WORD-WRAP: > break-word"> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV>it's funny to see how > quickly you miss the sense of irony <DIV>less clear to me the reasons > why we skip too easily from one point to others on this list  </DIV>>  <DIV>often a subject becomes a chance for smarty-pants, clever-clogs, > know-all shoowing off</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> > <DIV>Love,</DIV> <DIV>FM</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV><BR> <DIV> > <DIV>Il giorno 11/mar/09, alle ore 05:27, Vikki Riley ha scritto:</DIV> > <DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV>Mi > Scusa</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cabaret Voltaire was a cafe in Zurich at > the beginning of the 20th century.Tristan Tzara used to play cards there > with Lenin.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>nag nag nag</DIV> > <DIV>Vikki<BR><BR> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 3/11/09, > <B class="gmail_sendername">Free Mod</B> <<A onclick="return > top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:freemod-AT-free.fr" > target="_blank">freemod-AT-free.fr</A>> wrote:</SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE > class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px > 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <DIV style="WORD-WRAP: > break-word"> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Again<SPAN></SPAN></DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="COLOR: > rgb(0,0,221)">"cut-up-from-beat-hotel" was text cut-up, I was talking > about <FONT color="#910907">this</FONT> !</SPAN></DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>:-)</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Cabaret > Voltaire is a band from the Eighties</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Beat > Hotel started at the end of Fifties</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>You > invented everything!</DIV> <DIV>:-)</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Love,</DIV> <DIV>Free Mod</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV>>  <DIV><BR> </DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV>Il giorno 11/mar/09, alle ore 03:18, > Vikki Riley ha scritto:</DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV>No not > only writing, the Cabaret Voltaire..the beats invented nothing</DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Vikki<BR><BR> </DIV> <DIV class="gmail_quote">On > Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Free Mod <SPAN dir="ltr"><<A > onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" > href="mailto:freemod-AT-free.fr" > target="_blank">freemod-AT-free.fr</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE > class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px > 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <DIV style="WORD-WRAP: > break-word"> <DIV>Vikki:</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV>Yes sure <DIV>I agree > with you</DIV> <DIV><SPAN>But I just meant "cut-up" in <FONT > color="#910907">that</FONT> form, known as > "cut-up-from-beat-hotel"</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Otherwise > I would tell you that cutting texts has always been a normal praxis used > for centuries by philosophers and "amanuenses" monks.</DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Love,</DIV> <DIV>Free > Mod</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV>Il giorno 11/mar/09, > alle ore 02:15, Vikki Riley ha scritto:</DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE > type="cite"> <DIV>FreeMod</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cut up invented by > Appollinaire, late 19th century.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV>Vikki<BR><BR> </DIV> <DIV class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 10, > 2009 at 12:58 PM, richard haden <SPAN dir="ltr"><<A onclick="return>  top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" > href="mailto:richard_haden-AT-yahoo.com" > target="_blank">richard_haden-AT-yahoo.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR> > <BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: > 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <DIV> <DIV > style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> > <DIV>intertextuality is not to stress the author, it is to embody the > viewer. The readability of the text is enhanced by new associations of > existing text...even, mixed with new text--of non linear or not in > traditional narrative style. The new associations act as conflations, > NOT based on chronologically ordered sequencing of cause and > effect...The point is not to secretly hide the traditional author; the > point is to blatantly spoy light the viewer / reader. The difference is > that the classic one way mono-voice of the subject / author exchange is > changed...texts, films, installations, new media and so on, becomes new > forms of readability that leads to writeability--the subject is forced > to interpret. By the shift in subject of author to relocated subject as > activated / engaged, viewer, interesting things can happen...</DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>your words:  <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: > 'Times New Roman'">We Are Powerful</SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">>  <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'times new > roman'"> <DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: 'times new > roman'"><FONT face="Times New Roman">  We Are > Situationists</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: > 'times new roman'"><FONT face="Times New Roman">  We Are Even More > Powerful Being Post-Situationists</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: > 0px; FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman'"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: > large"><BR></SPAN></DIV></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: > 'times new roman'"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: large">were just handy at > the time to spin. I like the idea of a Post-situationist stance. And I > like that label because new media and alternative media strategies exist > in the arts to serve the same end--to counter alienation.</SPAN></DIV> > <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman'"><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: large"> </SPAN></DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Richard > Haden</DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, > helvetica, sans-serif"><BR> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: > times new roman, new york, times, serif"><FONT face="Tahoma" size="2">>  <HR size="1"> <DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: > bold">From:</SPAN></B> Free Mod <<A onclick="return > top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:freemod-AT-free.fr" > target="_blank">freemod-AT-free.fr</A>><BR> </DIV> <DIV><B><SPAN > style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Situationist <<A > onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" > href="mailto:situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org" > target="_blank">situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org</A>><BR> >  </DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, > March 9, 2009 10:59:04 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: > bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: notes on > creative-messing-posting-writing<BR></FONT> <DIV><BR> <DIV><BR> </DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Richard:</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> > <DIV>intertextuality, in that way you did some post before, is closer to > "a way to stress one's own presence (You) and hide someone else > presence in the dialogue" (Laurie Colson): Laurie topic and meanings > went lost; my answer was referred to those meanings! (now you're > thinking: I know I know, but that's creative writing)</DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Creative writing is a little bit different: you > start with a white blank page, you hide names (or invent new ones if you > need interlocutors)... then you freely use words and phrases in order to > mean what you mean.</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> > <DIV>Laurie:</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>we always think in linear > fashion... does your thinking "appears" bended to others or to > you?</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>anyway, Cut Up was not invented by > Burroughs. It was an usual praxis at Beat Hotel in St. Germain in > Paris.</DIV> <DIV>On my opinion, the first to introduce it was Sinclair > Beiles, he died on 2002. </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV><A > onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" > href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Beiles" target="_blank" > rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Beiles</A></DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>I want to tell you a typical cut up > experience. In the late '80 we invited him to make some lectures at > University in Italy and I recorded them with a '70s Revox stereo > recorder. The next decade I used a recorded piece to make a song, Mao > Tse! (as the original poetry)</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>In the early > '60 Sinclair Beiles wrote a very long poem called "Stalin"... after a > while, together with Burroughs and Gysin, a Cut-Up was made and Mao Tse > was born!</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV>:-)</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> > <DIV>If somebody wants to listen to it, ask please (we cannot send heavy > files to whole list)</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> > <DIV>Love, </DIV> <DIV>Free Mod</DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> > <DIV><BR> </DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV> > <DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR> </> DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR> </DIV></BLOCKQU> OTE></DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR> </DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUO> TE></DIV> > <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN></DIV></DIV><BR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></> BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>>
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