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Re:Freedom/Sarte/Subjectivity/
Laurie
Ive been away a few days with aged parents. No internet there. Not ignoring you
Looks like I might have been projecting. Not going to apologise though, anyway you all know Im like a bear with a sore head. I get mad that I never got to grow up in France, then theres the inherent bourgeoisness of the French which is why they grow weapons grade revolutionaries. So theres a dualism going on there. To complicate things I found out late I had north african ancestry and need to revisit.
Ive got this really powerful mala that is supposed to stop my karma from getting fucked up but it aint been working. I lost it when I got drunk over Christmas. Drunken Master! To make matters worse Ive got two step kids coming over to stay who have been in China teaching for two years and these guys are so fucking serene and Tai Chi'd up that they are going to make me feel like Ive been plugged into the electric chair. Im constantly in a state of war with myself. I now realise this is normal for me anyway.
I bought a bunch of tiger eye beads over the weekend and Im going to thread them and meditate. Meditation for me means not feeling annoyed about anything. Usually I thread beads wanting to assasinate members of the government.. Youve given me an idea, maybe Im well enough to start to write another book. I got depressed after the last one, looks like Im blinking in the daylight again.
Well what passes for daylight in this fucking country of car washers.
Bestest
The Bad News Bears
--- On Mon, 15/2/10, Laurie Colson <lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: Laurie Colson <lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re:Freedom/Sarte/Subjectivity/
> To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> Date: Monday, 15 February, 2010, 15:45
> I must be missing nuances if you
> think I was feeling outraged. I thought you were feeling
> outraged, that you needed consolation. How could I lighten
> up any further, being such a 'lightweight' in your eyes, a
> little girl hiding a popsicle. Was your whole previous
> missive facetious? I didn't realise... "if you want a heart
> in your situationism" you said, a joke? I misunderstood.
> Sorry to be childish. We are separated by an ocean of mutual
> incomprehension. I have no imperial compunction. We should
> have been a pair of ragged claws, scuttling across ocean
> floors. Cazart!
>
> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re:Freedom/Sarte/Subjectivity/
> To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 1:58 AM
>
>
> Laurie
>
> Yeah well maybe some of us spend time sitting around just
> being. instead of this constant road map thing that you do
> which is not much more really than a liturgy out of a
> spectrum of literary references. Its a bit like racing
> drivers. A long time ago I used to share a house with a
> Formula One guy. He taught me to like driving. He was a
> brilliant everyday road driver, and today I drive the way he
> showed me, just an ordinary car on an ordinary road. What he
> said to me was this. There is no mystery about driving a
> racing car. You get drivers who are really clued up about
> engine specs and technical stuff, and you get drivers who
> know nothing. Its just a box on wheels. All they know is
> when it doesnt feel right. Well. I am one of the latter,
> figuratively speaking.
> What I object to is this constant need Americans have to be
> in front. To show how fucking smart they are all the time.
> And that means displaying your cultural fruit stall the
> whole time, like you were in some kind of market place. Its
> just really a metaphor for abject materialism isnt it?
> No its worse than that, its an expression, and by that I
> mean you are expressing it, a latent drive towards cultural
> imperialism. Its always there isnt it Laurie, like
> background radiation. Youre cultural references dont
> actually amount to a hill of beans in the general scheme of
> things.
> I mean who gives a fuck really about the bourgeois theatre?
>
> I see this old footage of the Buena Vista old guys playing
> at the Carnegie amid polite applause and I think yeah thats
> the contradiction, the paradox.
> We embargo your commie country for decades, reduce it to
> poverty bring it to its knees, but we will take the kultcha
> thank you very much. Its the spitefulness of sticking a flag
> in the moon.
> So if I wonder about what it was like in France after the
> war, I take then that you have all the answers, you have the
> road map of where everything goes and fits yeah? Basically
> it sounds childish coming from you, like a kid whose sister
> has taken her popsycle and hidden it behind her back.
> I mean where are the fucking nuances Laurie? Where are the
> shades of grey, or do you go through life trading in
> certainties? Some of us are doing real work and not just re
> hashing last week ends reviews. I dare say youre quite
> likeable but sometimes I just feel like giving you a slap,
> youre reply just sounds like hysterical gabble from a
> schoolgirl who feels she has been interfered with.
> For fucks sake lighten up and if youre feeling outraged
> then good. Mission accomplished.
>
> Yours in annoyance and Deep Ocean Trench Transatlantic
> Irritation
>
> Jean Parr
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 10/2/10, Laurie Colson <lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Laurie Colson <lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re:Freedom/Sarte/Subjectivity/
> > To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > Date: Wednesday, 10 February, 2010, 10:27
> > Sarte took mescaline and hallucinated
> > for a year or so before writing Nausea. I have enough
> > trouble seeing nothing that is not there and the
> nothing
> > that is. You say after the war, things being so
> > kaleidoscopic,"hardly anyone knew what reality was."
> In your
> > previous post "Decades of spectacle, and no one knows
> what's
> > real anymore" What is this reality you speak of? You
> want
> > to flee via airplane to heaven (in the Meaning of
> Life-
> > Cars) hallucinagens, say you got your passport ready-
> but
> > there is no New World. Maybe the urge to flee will
> become
> > confrontational. The Revolution of Everyday Life is a
> big
> > hit here, thanks. And Genet, the Theater of the
> Absurd.
> > Reading Robert Fillliou (1926-87) whose singular
> practice
> > was rooted in his faith in the clumsy playfulness of
> games,
> > misunderstandings, jokes, and time spent with friends.
> He
> > had a space with George Brecht and their wives, lots
> of
> > friends and collaborators, all activities focused on
> humor
> > and play.
> > Contributions were solicited of any artwork,toy,game
> idea
> > or object that could exist as a gift. The idea ws the
> > Cedille would be a place for things that a
> traditional
> > gallery would have trouble selling and should follow
> one
> > general guideline: Whatever you do, do something else.
>
> >
> > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com>
> > Subject: Re: Orientalism- Nuff Said...Freedom/Sarte
> > To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:52 AM
> >
> >
> > Well you know you dont need a guru to be splendidly
> > desperately romantic.
> > Debord had always an eye on his image for posterity
> just
> > like Blair.
> > I think his films are self indulgent crap. You get the
> idea
> > better in Fritz Lang Metropolis and Alphaville. Nobody
> ever
> > talks about the Revolution of Everyday Life. That is
> > splendidly desperately romantic, just like me in
> fact.
> > I have to write this essay on what LSD does to you.
> Its a
> > few decades since I dropped any. To be honest I could
> do
> > with a tab right now.
> > You go to heaven in an aeroplane thats for sure. I
> knew
> > that when I was five and I dreamt about it last night.
>
> > Paris musta been a heady place just after the war.
> Like a
> > champagne cork popping with the Occupation ending. We
> used
> > to occupy Polytechnics. So out of all this ferment
> comes
> > Sartre and whathaveyou. The thing is stuff must have
> looked
> > so kaleidoscopic, what with the merchants of death no
> longer
> > being around, that hardly anyone knew what reality
> was.
> > You get a better idea I think from Jean Anouilh "Huis
> Clos"
> > which is all about dead people walking around. I think
> it
> > translates as "In Camera"
> > Then of course there is Jean Genet. Thats was almost
> > unmentionable in some circles. If you want a heart in
> your
> > Situationism then go to Vaneigem.
> > Sartre gave us the existential Western. That was the
> best
> > thing he ever did
> >
> > Jean
> >
> > --- On Mon, 8/2/10, Laurie Colson <lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: Laurie Colson <lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Orientalism- Nuff
> Said...Freedom/Sarte
> > > To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > Date: Monday, 8 February, 2010, 0:16
> > > I did a double take on the Sarte
> > > being quoted as advising arabs to murder
> frenchman to
> > be
> > > free. I thought he was cool before the radical
> > conversion.
> > > In Being and Nothingness, the moral standpoint
> most
> > severly
> > > criticised was the spirit of seriousness, or
> > idealism,
> > > leading people to think that there were inherent
> > values
> > > in things and discoverable by men. In the end
> maybe
> > he is a
> > > literary and not philosophical giant. His
> > > writing is highly personal and individual in
> flavour.
> > You
> > > can see the world thru his eyes by end of Being
> and
> > > Nothingness, the struggle felt as worthwhile, if
> only
> > to
> > > learn how it feels to be so splendidly
> desparately
> > > romantic. Disappointing that after this vision
> he
> > seems
> > > to present us with a not very attractive way
> out, to
> > become
> > > Marxists. An essentially literary metaphysics.
> > Eccentric
> > > Marxist, Sarte. At least it could be said of
> Debord,
> > he
> > > knew how to party... if I knew it was going to
> be
> > this
> > > kind of party, I would have stuck my
> dick
> > in the
> > > mashed potatoes.
> > > 2/5/10, JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com>
> > > wroFrom: JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Orientalism- Nuff Said...
> > > To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 1:05 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well yes some good did come out of Europes guilt
> trip
> > look
> > > at how Chirac was reluctant to get into bed with
> Blair
> > and
> > > Bush over the Iraq invasion, not willing to
> preside
> > amongst
> > > other things over the looting of Mesopotamian
> > artefacts and
> > > the trashing of Iraqi history.
> > > I cant believe this country, the UK can go about
> its
> > car
> > > wash culture knowing that its fucked some other
> > country up
> > > big time. Im so angry about it that in my head I
> no
> > longer
> > > count myself as a British subject. In my head my
> > passport is
> > > not to protect me abroad but to allow me to flee
> at
> > the
> > > earliest opportunity.
> > > We have an inquiry into the way the run up to war
> was
> > > handled running here and the press is treating it
> like
> > a
> > > shooting gallery
> > > What we need here is an earthquake to wake
> everyone up
> > out
> > > of the deep sleep. Decades of Spectacle and no
> one can
> > tell
> > > what is real anymore
> > >
> > > Jean
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 4/2/10, Laurie Colson <lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Laurie Colson <lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com>
> > > > Subject: Orientalism- Nuff Said...
> > > > To: "To:" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > > Date: Thursday, 4 February, 2010, 20:05
> > > >
> > > > I know this is a long review to post, I got
> to
> > > thinking I
> > > > was being an 'orientalist', and then found
> this,
> > and
> > > thought
> > > > it looked like an interesting insight into
> > Edward
> > > Said.
> > > > There is situationist content, I believe.
> > > >
> > > > The New Criterion
> > > > Books
> > > > January 2008
> > > > Enough Said
> > > > by David Pryce-Jones
> > > > On Defending the West: A Critique of Edward
> > Said's
> > > > Orientalism by Ibn Warraq.
> > > > In the aftermath of World War II, a tide of
> > > nationalism
> > > > swept over Asia and Africa. It was
> > > > understandable. Europeans had just
> devastated
> > their
> > > own
> > > > continent. Bystanders if not participants
> in
> > > > the Holocaust, they could no longer claim
> any
> > moral
> > > > authority to be ruling over others.
> Furthermore
> > > > their political classes had almost
> invariably
> > > maintained
> > > > that they were preparing their empires for
> > > > ultimate independence. For the likes of
> Nasser,
> > > Nkrumah,
> > > > Sukarno, Ben Bella and Boumedienne in
> > > > Algeria, Nehru and Gandhi, and Ho Chi Minh,
> the
> > time
> > > for
> > > > self-rule had arrived. The Third World
> > > > duly took shape on the international stage.
> One
> > > central
> > > > element was systematic resentment against
> > > > the West, a resentment ably attacked by Ibn
> > Warraq in
> > > his
> > > > Defending the West.[1]
> > > > Third World leaders were mostly military
> men
> > ready
> > > and
> > > > willing to resort to violence. To mobilize
> > > > the masses in support, they denigrated the
> > previous
> > > > European administrations as so many
> > > > embodiments of the white man and his
> manifest
> > faults.
> > > > “Imperialist,” “colonialist,”
> > “racist”
> > > served
> > > > as
> > > > so many collective curse-words. It is
> doubtful
> > that
> > > they
> > > > really believed the sloganeering and
> > > > stereotyping so useful to them. As soon as
> they
> > > themselves
> > > > were securely in power, they hurried to
> > > > westernize their countries as best they
> could,
> > > evidently
> > > > wanting similar universities and hospitals
> and
> > > > armies, sports, and even pop music. So
> > far-reaching
> > > has
> > > > imitation been that some of the new
> > > > nationalist rulers incorporated second-hand
> the
> > > fascism,
> > > > Communism, and anti-Semitism that had
> > > > wrecked Europe.
> > > > The British responded to Third World
> nationalism
> > in a
> > > > welcoming phrase about “the winds of
> > > > change,” as though those mobilizing
> enmity
> > towards
> > > them
> > > > had simply blown in with the weather.
> > > > Only the French made determined efforts to
> > resist, and
> > > then
> > > > in vain. Defenders of empire had always
> > > > been few and far between. Treasurers
> resented
> > the
> > > > expense—research shows that the imperial
> > > > powers all had to pay out immense and
> > unaffordable
> > > sums on
> > > > maintaining possessions abroad, and
> > > > the money would have been better spent at
> home.
> > The
> > > > calculations are uncertain, but it appears
> that
> > > > Britain alone may possibly have enjoyed
> some
> > small
> > > > financial benefit from empire. Military
> staffs
> > > > resented the posting abroad of troops needed
> in
> > the
> > > > European theater. Empire-builders such as
> Lord
> > > > Cromer, Lord Curzon, and Alfred Milner, or
> Jules
> > Ferry
> > > and
> > > > Marshal Lyautey in France, could only
> > > > advance arguments about responsibility for
> others
> > and
> > > a
> > > > mission civilisatrice. Hard-headed
> > > > colleagues listened to these abstractions
> with
> > > skepticism.
> > > > Intellectuals in Europe went much further,
> > pleading
> > > guilty
> > > > to all the accusations levelled against
> > > > them by Third World nationalists. They and
> their
> > > > predecessors had always been constant and
> > > > enthusiastic critics of empire, and now
> were
> > thrilled
> > > to
> > > > have their diatribes against their own
> > > > countries thrown back at them, as it were
> by
> > clever
> > > > students and disciples. Violence committed
> by
> > > > the ruled against the rulers won their
> applause.
> > This
> > > > attitude of opposition starts with the
> delight
> > so
> > > > the ruled against the rulers won their
> applause.
> > This
> > > > attitude of opposition starts with the
> delight
> > so
> > > > widely expressed in Britain over the loss of
> the
> > > American
> > > > colonies—even the conservative-minded
> > > > Edmund Burke supported the colonists.
> > Innumerable
> > > > nineteenth- and twentieth-century writers
> > > > treated whatever reflected badly on the
> imperial
> > power
> > > as a
> > > > ru
> > >
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Ive been away a few days with aged parents. No internet there. Not ignoring you
Looks like I might have been projecting. Not going to apologise though, anyway you all know Im like a bear with a sore head. I get mad that I never got to grow up in France, then theres the inherent bourgeoisness of the French which is why they grow weapons grade revolutionaries. So theres a dualism going on there. To complicate things I found out late I had north african ancestry and need to revisit.
Ive got this really powerful mala that is supposed to stop my karma from getting fucked up but it aint been working. I lost it when I got drunk over Christmas. Drunken Master! To make matters worse Ive got two step kids coming over to stay who have been in China teaching for two years and these guys are so fucking serene and Tai Chi'd up that they are going to make me feel like Ive been plugged into the electric chair. Im constantly in a state of war with myself. I now realise this is normal for me anyway.
I bought a bunch of tiger eye beads over the weekend and Im going to thread them and meditate. Meditation for me means not feeling annoyed about anything. Usually I thread beads wanting to assasinate members of the government.. Youve given me an idea, maybe Im well enough to start to write another book. I got depressed after the last one, looks like Im blinking in the daylight again.
Well what passes for daylight in this fucking country of car washers.
Bestest
The Bad News Bears
--- On Mon, 15/2/10, Laurie Colson <lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: Laurie Colson <lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re:Freedom/Sarte/Subjectivity/
> To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> Date: Monday, 15 February, 2010, 15:45
> I must be missing nuances if you
> think I was feeling outraged. I thought you were feeling
> outraged, that you needed consolation. How could I lighten
> up any further, being such a 'lightweight' in your eyes, a
> little girl hiding a popsicle. Was your whole previous
> missive facetious? I didn't realise... "if you want a heart
> in your situationism" you said, a joke? I misunderstood.
> Sorry to be childish. We are separated by an ocean of mutual
> incomprehension. I have no imperial compunction. We should
> have been a pair of ragged claws, scuttling across ocean
> floors. Cazart!
>
> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re:Freedom/Sarte/Subjectivity/
> To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 1:58 AM
>
>
> Laurie
>
> Yeah well maybe some of us spend time sitting around just
> being. instead of this constant road map thing that you do
> which is not much more really than a liturgy out of a
> spectrum of literary references. Its a bit like racing
> drivers. A long time ago I used to share a house with a
> Formula One guy. He taught me to like driving. He was a
> brilliant everyday road driver, and today I drive the way he
> showed me, just an ordinary car on an ordinary road. What he
> said to me was this. There is no mystery about driving a
> racing car. You get drivers who are really clued up about
> engine specs and technical stuff, and you get drivers who
> know nothing. Its just a box on wheels. All they know is
> when it doesnt feel right. Well. I am one of the latter,
> figuratively speaking.
> What I object to is this constant need Americans have to be
> in front. To show how fucking smart they are all the time.
> And that means displaying your cultural fruit stall the
> whole time, like you were in some kind of market place. Its
> just really a metaphor for abject materialism isnt it?
> No its worse than that, its an expression, and by that I
> mean you are expressing it, a latent drive towards cultural
> imperialism. Its always there isnt it Laurie, like
> background radiation. Youre cultural references dont
> actually amount to a hill of beans in the general scheme of
> things.
> I mean who gives a fuck really about the bourgeois theatre?
>
> I see this old footage of the Buena Vista old guys playing
> at the Carnegie amid polite applause and I think yeah thats
> the contradiction, the paradox.
> We embargo your commie country for decades, reduce it to
> poverty bring it to its knees, but we will take the kultcha
> thank you very much. Its the spitefulness of sticking a flag
> in the moon.
> So if I wonder about what it was like in France after the
> war, I take then that you have all the answers, you have the
> road map of where everything goes and fits yeah? Basically
> it sounds childish coming from you, like a kid whose sister
> has taken her popsycle and hidden it behind her back.
> I mean where are the fucking nuances Laurie? Where are the
> shades of grey, or do you go through life trading in
> certainties? Some of us are doing real work and not just re
> hashing last week ends reviews. I dare say youre quite
> likeable but sometimes I just feel like giving you a slap,
> youre reply just sounds like hysterical gabble from a
> schoolgirl who feels she has been interfered with.
> For fucks sake lighten up and if youre feeling outraged
> then good. Mission accomplished.
>
> Yours in annoyance and Deep Ocean Trench Transatlantic
> Irritation
>
> Jean Parr
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 10/2/10, Laurie Colson <lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Laurie Colson <lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re:Freedom/Sarte/Subjectivity/
> > To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > Date: Wednesday, 10 February, 2010, 10:27
> > Sarte took mescaline and hallucinated
> > for a year or so before writing Nausea. I have enough
> > trouble seeing nothing that is not there and the
> nothing
> > that is. You say after the war, things being so
> > kaleidoscopic,"hardly anyone knew what reality was."
> In your
> > previous post "Decades of spectacle, and no one knows
> what's
> > real anymore" What is this reality you speak of? You
> want
> > to flee via airplane to heaven (in the Meaning of
> Life-
> > Cars) hallucinagens, say you got your passport ready-
> but
> > there is no New World. Maybe the urge to flee will
> become
> > confrontational. The Revolution of Everyday Life is a
> big
> > hit here, thanks. And Genet, the Theater of the
> Absurd.
> > Reading Robert Fillliou (1926-87) whose singular
> practice
> > was rooted in his faith in the clumsy playfulness of
> games,
> > misunderstandings, jokes, and time spent with friends.
> He
> > had a space with George Brecht and their wives, lots
> of
> > friends and collaborators, all activities focused on
> humor
> > and play.
> > Contributions were solicited of any artwork,toy,game
> idea
> > or object that could exist as a gift. The idea ws the
> > Cedille would be a place for things that a
> traditional
> > gallery would have trouble selling and should follow
> one
> > general guideline: Whatever you do, do something else.
>
> >
> > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com>
> > Subject: Re: Orientalism- Nuff Said...Freedom/Sarte
> > To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:52 AM
> >
> >
> > Well you know you dont need a guru to be splendidly
> > desperately romantic.
> > Debord had always an eye on his image for posterity
> just
> > like Blair.
> > I think his films are self indulgent crap. You get the
> idea
> > better in Fritz Lang Metropolis and Alphaville. Nobody
> ever
> > talks about the Revolution of Everyday Life. That is
> > splendidly desperately romantic, just like me in
> fact.
> > I have to write this essay on what LSD does to you.
> Its a
> > few decades since I dropped any. To be honest I could
> do
> > with a tab right now.
> > You go to heaven in an aeroplane thats for sure. I
> knew
> > that when I was five and I dreamt about it last night.
>
> > Paris musta been a heady place just after the war.
> Like a
> > champagne cork popping with the Occupation ending. We
> used
> > to occupy Polytechnics. So out of all this ferment
> comes
> > Sartre and whathaveyou. The thing is stuff must have
> looked
> > so kaleidoscopic, what with the merchants of death no
> longer
> > being around, that hardly anyone knew what reality
> was.
> > You get a better idea I think from Jean Anouilh "Huis
> Clos"
> > which is all about dead people walking around. I think
> it
> > translates as "In Camera"
> > Then of course there is Jean Genet. Thats was almost
> > unmentionable in some circles. If you want a heart in
> your
> > Situationism then go to Vaneigem.
> > Sartre gave us the existential Western. That was the
> best
> > thing he ever did
> >
> > Jean
> >
> > --- On Mon, 8/2/10, Laurie Colson <lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: Laurie Colson <lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Orientalism- Nuff
> Said...Freedom/Sarte
> > > To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > Date: Monday, 8 February, 2010, 0:16
> > > I did a double take on the Sarte
> > > being quoted as advising arabs to murder
> frenchman to
> > be
> > > free. I thought he was cool before the radical
> > conversion.
> > > In Being and Nothingness, the moral standpoint
> most
> > severly
> > > criticised was the spirit of seriousness, or
> > idealism,
> > > leading people to think that there were inherent
> > values
> > > in things and discoverable by men. In the end
> maybe
> > he is a
> > > literary and not philosophical giant. His
> > > writing is highly personal and individual in
> flavour.
> > You
> > > can see the world thru his eyes by end of Being
> and
> > > Nothingness, the struggle felt as worthwhile, if
> only
> > to
> > > learn how it feels to be so splendidly
> desparately
> > > romantic. Disappointing that after this vision
> he
> > seems
> > > to present us with a not very attractive way
> out, to
> > become
> > > Marxists. An essentially literary metaphysics.
> > Eccentric
> > > Marxist, Sarte. At least it could be said of
> Debord,
> > he
> > > knew how to party... if I knew it was going to
> be
> > this
> > > kind of party, I would have stuck my
> dick
> > in the
> > > mashed potatoes.
> > > 2/5/10, JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com>
> > > wroFrom: JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Orientalism- Nuff Said...
> > > To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 1:05 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well yes some good did come out of Europes guilt
> trip
> > look
> > > at how Chirac was reluctant to get into bed with
> Blair
> > and
> > > Bush over the Iraq invasion, not willing to
> preside
> > amongst
> > > other things over the looting of Mesopotamian
> > artefacts and
> > > the trashing of Iraqi history.
> > > I cant believe this country, the UK can go about
> its
> > car
> > > wash culture knowing that its fucked some other
> > country up
> > > big time. Im so angry about it that in my head I
> no
> > longer
> > > count myself as a British subject. In my head my
> > passport is
> > > not to protect me abroad but to allow me to flee
> at
> > the
> > > earliest opportunity.
> > > We have an inquiry into the way the run up to war
> was
> > > handled running here and the press is treating it
> like
> > a
> > > shooting gallery
> > > What we need here is an earthquake to wake
> everyone up
> > out
> > > of the deep sleep. Decades of Spectacle and no
> one can
> > tell
> > > what is real anymore
> > >
> > > Jean
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 4/2/10, Laurie Colson <lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Laurie Colson <lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com>
> > > > Subject: Orientalism- Nuff Said...
> > > > To: "To:" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > > Date: Thursday, 4 February, 2010, 20:05
> > > >
> > > > I know this is a long review to post, I got
> to
> > > thinking I
> > > > was being an 'orientalist', and then found
> this,
> > and
> > > thought
> > > > it looked like an interesting insight into
> > Edward
> > > Said.
> > > > There is situationist content, I believe.
> > > >
> > > > The New Criterion
> > > > Books
> > > > January 2008
> > > > Enough Said
> > > > by David Pryce-Jones
> > > > On Defending the West: A Critique of Edward
> > Said's
> > > > Orientalism by Ibn Warraq.
> > > > In the aftermath of World War II, a tide of
> > > nationalism
> > > > swept over Asia and Africa. It was
> > > > understandable. Europeans had just
> devastated
> > their
> > > own
> > > > continent. Bystanders if not participants
> in
> > > > the Holocaust, they could no longer claim
> any
> > moral
> > > > authority to be ruling over others.
> Furthermore
> > > > their political classes had almost
> invariably
> > > maintained
> > > > that they were preparing their empires for
> > > > ultimate independence. For the likes of
> Nasser,
> > > Nkrumah,
> > > > Sukarno, Ben Bella and Boumedienne in
> > > > Algeria, Nehru and Gandhi, and Ho Chi Minh,
> the
> > time
> > > for
> > > > self-rule had arrived. The Third World
> > > > duly took shape on the international stage.
> One
> > > central
> > > > element was systematic resentment against
> > > > the West, a resentment ably attacked by Ibn
> > Warraq in
> > > his
> > > > Defending the West.[1]
> > > > Third World leaders were mostly military
> men
> > ready
> > > and
> > > > willing to resort to violence. To mobilize
> > > > the masses in support, they denigrated the
> > previous
> > > > European administrations as so many
> > > > embodiments of the white man and his
> manifest
> > faults.
> > > > “Imperialist,” “colonialist,”
> > “racist”
> > > served
> > > > as
> > > > so many collective curse-words. It is
> doubtful
> > that
> > > they
> > > > really believed the sloganeering and
> > > > stereotyping so useful to them. As soon as
> they
> > > themselves
> > > > were securely in power, they hurried to
> > > > westernize their countries as best they
> could,
> > > evidently
> > > > wanting similar universities and hospitals
> and
> > > > armies, sports, and even pop music. So
> > far-reaching
> > > has
> > > > imitation been that some of the new
> > > > nationalist rulers incorporated second-hand
> the
> > > fascism,
> > > > Communism, and anti-Semitism that had
> > > > wrecked Europe.
> > > > The British responded to Third World
> nationalism
> > in a
> > > > welcoming phrase about “the winds of
> > > > change,” as though those mobilizing
> enmity
> > towards
> > > them
> > > > had simply blown in with the weather.
> > > > Only the French made determined efforts to
> > resist, and
> > > then
> > > > in vain. Defenders of empire had always
> > > > been few and far between. Treasurers
> resented
> > the
> > > > expense—research shows that the imperial
> > > > powers all had to pay out immense and
> > unaffordable
> > > sums on
> > > > maintaining possessions abroad, and
> > > > the money would have been better spent at
> home.
> > The
> > > > calculations are uncertain, but it appears
> that
> > > > Britain alone may possibly have enjoyed
> some
> > small
> > > > financial benefit from empire. Military
> staffs
> > > > resented the posting abroad of troops needed
> in
> > the
> > > > European theater. Empire-builders such as
> Lord
> > > > Cromer, Lord Curzon, and Alfred Milner, or
> Jules
> > Ferry
> > > and
> > > > Marshal Lyautey in France, could only
> > > > advance arguments about responsibility for
> others
> > and
> > > a
> > > > mission civilisatrice. Hard-headed
> > > > colleagues listened to these abstractions
> with
> > > skepticism.
> > > > Intellectuals in Europe went much further,
> > pleading
> > > guilty
> > > > to all the accusations levelled against
> > > > them by Third World nationalists. They and
> their
> > > > predecessors had always been constant and
> > > > enthusiastic critics of empire, and now
> were
> > thrilled
> > > to
> > > > have their diatribes against their own
> > > > countries thrown back at them, as it were
> by
> > clever
> > > > students and disciples. Violence committed
> by
> > > > the ruled against the rulers won their
> applause.
> > This
> > > > attitude of opposition starts with the
> delight
> > so
> > > > the ruled against the rulers won their
> applause.
> > This
> > > > attitude of opposition starts with the
> delight
> > so
> > > > widely expressed in Britain over the loss of
> the
> > > American
> > > > colonies—even the conservative-minded
> > > > Edmund Burke supported the colonists.
> > Innumerable
> > > > nineteenth- and twentieth-century writers
> > > > treated whatever reflected badly on the
> imperial
> > power
> > > as a
> > > > ru
> > >
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Re: Orientalism- Nuff Said...Freedom/Sarte / Laurie Colson / 08 Feb 2010
Re: Orientalism- Nuff Said...Freedom/Sarte / JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com> / 09 Feb 2010
Re:Freedom/Sarte/Subjectivity/ / Laurie Colson <lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com> / 10 Feb 2010
Re: Freedom/Sarte/Subjectivity/ / richard haden <richard_haden-AT-yahoo.com> / 10 Feb 2010
Re: Freedom/Sarte/Subjectivity/ / Laurie Colson <lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com> / 15 Feb 2010
Re:Freedom/Sarte/Subjectivity/ / JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com> / 12 Feb 2010
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