From: Free Mod <freemod-AT-free.fr>
Date: 23 Jan 2010 11:58:47 UTC   (01:58:47 PM in author's locale)
To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>

I simply do not stand to be cheated by laic or islamic conservatism.

I posted about this subject not thinking whether I adhere or not to that law and the subject title I had choose ends in a question mark. I just recall our discussion when I didn't have a precise idea concerning the legitimation to ban this kind of habit. I also believe that women should feel free to let the veil fall AND be free to wear it (I would stress my voice on the latter). Since it's related to female's desire and desirability, I do believe that burqa is worn by adult women and has nothing to do with children's habits (Jean Parr might erroneously remember).

As for Richard mentioning the security stance, I just think that is one of the arguments which (especially) right wing politicians resort to in order to justify the ban. I guess that people may be in with collars and be more dangerous kamikazes than wearing such easy identifiable islamic "garment".

Regarding Vikki's opinion (there's nothing interesting about men deciding what and when women wear), I think she's right but the consideration doesn't fit the situation. Besides the security arguments, the law is especially backed by women who see a male domination tool in the burqa (and they are right when they are not hypocritical when not speaking from the right wing pulpit).

What we are missing here is that (very) probably nor men neither women will be deciding about the legal ban or the free fall into disuse of burqa. Economical interests will decide. The french right wing hypocrisy is wider than it might seem at first glance. Sarkozy really doesn't back that law, although he claims it in public. A considerable percentage of french big fashion names' sales depends on Middle East women coming to Paris for shopping.

Vikki, apparently there's a lot of fashion victims behind the shape of traditional roots, thanks to a financially obvious compromise between male decor exigence and oppressed women thirst of haute couture (whose basic dress roughly costs 150000 dollars). It's a mutual concession, a universally mute agreement that corresponds to major credit cards' debits. Those two times possessed and duped women go to Chanel, Hermes, Dior... completely burqed! After a legal ban the french fashion industry would loose its best customers. On the contrary, pecunia non holet (money does not stink).

I don't know whether total secularization might be a good thing or not but that's an historical trend that men cannot not promote nor oppose. I simply do not stand to be cheated by laic or islamic conservatism.

FM



Il giorno 23/gen/2010, alle ore 09.29, JEAN PARR ha scritto:

> Right Im going to wade in here. No one gets prosecuted for wearing a motorcycle helmet.
> Look, I used to think that the total secularisation of things like education was a good thing but since my kids went to an essentially Muslim school full of Somalis. well Ive changed my mind. Most of my daughters friends have veils or scarves and after a couple of times theres no mistaking one from the other. They are lively chatty kids who give you their full attention. Sarah in deference dresses a bit like them sometimes well you would, they are her mates, although most of the time she looks like something out of Night of the Living Dead.
> I think on balance most dads dont mind their daughters being covered up because they simply see it as safer.
> I mean what role models are the French offering. Weve got the tart Bruni following in the fashion footsteps of Michelle. Give me a break. Is this what Muslim girls should aspire to? Anyway you need dark clothes to hide the hardware. If I was a girl Id never go anywhere without a pistol.
>
> Shine my Nine
>
> --- On Sat, 23/1/10, Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: is burqa's parabola ending in legal ban ?
>> To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
>> Date: Saturday, 23 January, 2010, 7:50
>> Its only going to end when women tear
>> it off themselves.
>> Nothing interesting about men deciding what and when women
>> wear.
>>
>> Vikki
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Free Mod <freemod-AT-free.fr>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> French Imam backed a law against full face veils...
>>>
>>>
>>> tinyurl.com/ydvon7r
>>>
>>> tinyurl.com/ydmvokf
>>>
>>> tinyurl.com/yefea26
>>>
>>> tinyurl.com/y9nmfz6
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> FM
>>>
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