From: ISSO Stark <issostark-AT-yahoo.co.uk>
Date: 10 Jul 2009 03:57:24 UTC   (10:57:24 PM in author's locale)
To: Situationist <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>

Really?
I couldn't even finish kknitting.
 
isso

--- On Mon, 6/7/09, Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> wrote:

From: Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The media revolt in Iran
To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
Date: Monday, 6 July, 2009, 2:26 AM

Dear Diana

I was working with about 40 refugees from Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq when
9/11 happened. Teaching.
All my students wrote essays about it. Some for some against.
A lot of my students were attacked by racists at the school gates. We have
independent Islamic colleges here.
Australia maybe a little enlightened but I think people here are just quick
to take on new ideas.
Those with flexible minds, not the old conservative establishment however.
Also we have something unique here, called sbs.
Its a TV and radio channel in at least 26 languages, set up in 1972 by the
then PM,
Gough Whitlam who kind of radicalised the country forevermore.
To be fair though, the Cheney/Bush propaganda re Islamic society has been so
effective that it resembles Jon Voigt
in Runaway Train. Millions of dollars which could have been spent on
educating North Americans about the geo-political world beyond Mexico
have been pumped into this propaganda.
Its sad you had friends who died in the tower, sadder still that Afghan
women and children are blown up every day by US marines.
No memorial plaques for them.

Vikki

On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail.com>wrote:

>
> Vikki my experience in New York is that Muslims are regarded as dumb
> towel-heads only fit to drive taxis and go to mosques where they are told
> what to think and feel by imams. You must live in an enlightened society.
>
>
>
> And yes not only did I witness the towers fall from across NY Bay in Staten
> Island, but I recently worked at the Taiwan Visitors' Bureau on the 80th
> floor of the North Tower. I knew many of the people who still worked there,
> such as the food court staff and the ladies' room attendant who was a pal of
> mind.
>
>
>
> Staten Island is a borough of NYC known to be the home of many
> firefighters, police and other civil servants. We had a funeral or two every
> week for months, as more bodies were found. The firefighters have their own
> bagpipe players who attend every funeral.
>
>
>
> I was working at the Staten Island Childrens' Museum on 9/11, right across
> the water from the WTC. Our receptionist's husband was among the
> firefighters in the towers when they fell. He was about to retire. She was
> the towers fall knowing he was in one. They never found him, so the funeral
> was performed over an empty coffin.
>
>
>
> Perhaps you know I am writing a long poem that includes a surrealistic
> visit to the post-9/11 site where the towers fell.
>
>
>
> Very best,
>
>
>
> Diana
>
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 03:19:43 +0000
> > From: jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com
> > Subject: Re: The media revolt in Iran
> > To: situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org
> >
> > Dear Diana and Vikki
> >
> > I didnt see this post first time round. I think about this catastrophic
> attack with regularity. There is a consensual tendency to see it (9/11) as
> another Pearl Harbour. Radio operators garbling signals that kind of thing.
> > It always strikes me as truly biblical in scale. Something that should
> appear in cave paintings.
> > I think the failure to intercept was more to do with an inability to
> imagine  the New York skyline being dismantled. Did you witness it? Thats a
> stupid question. Being a New Yorker you must have been part of it even post
> event.
> > It wasnt prevented because no one had modelled what amounted to a chain
> reaction of causation and effect.
> > I dont see that any nation perceives the Muslim world  as being
> uneducated and unscientific. Extreme, fanatical, yes.
> > I wake up still shocked by 9/11. It just wont go away. There are always
> new photographs and testimony that emerge. This event must have left great
> swathes of the population traumatised for good. Imagine, a human engineered
> earthquake. It leaves America on a permanent war footing, and thats the
> iniquitous legacy.
> > You know that the ones who died were young people because thats what you
> find in offices. And what did they do to deserve that?
> > I wouldnt make a very good President of the United States. I would have
> wiped out North Koreas nuclear facility in a pre emptive strike, then turned
> to the Chinese and said one false move and your next. Pisspot little nation,
> who the fuck do they think they are?
> > You see? I had to punch a few heads on the Underground once, applying the
> same tactic. You see, Im just not head boy material
> > Was the 9/11 attack driven by emotion or logic? Will someone come forward
> and tell us one day?
> > Ceci n'est pas un immeuble. Theres more than a little bit of that too.
> >
> > Jean
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 3/7/09, Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: The media revolt in Iran
> > To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > Date: Friday, 3 July, 2009, 4:56 AM
> >
> >
> > Diana
> >
> > For sure! I mean the Islamic world invented calculus, algebra, all kinds
> of
> > mathematical concepts.
> > And pomegranate juice! Highest amount of Vitamin C and cancer fighting
> > antioxidants in one hit.
> > As for Persian poetry... Hafiz, Saadi
> >
> > Vikki
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Dear Vikki and Jean,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't you think that image of Muslims as abject, uneducated,
> unscientific
> > > religious fanatics worked against us in guarding the U.S. against
> terrorist
> > > attacks?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > No one thought they would be smart enough to use our own planes against
> us
> > > as weapons, or coordinate such an intricate and  multi-factored plan.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Whenever I said, around the time of 9/11, that the terrorists were
> > > brilliant, I got a bad reaction. I suppose that is understandable in
> those
> > > circumstances, but it was a symptom of how much we underestimate them..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Diana
> > >
> > > > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:51:24 +0930
> > > > Subject: Re: The media revolt in Iran
> > > > From: riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com
> > > > To: situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org
> > > >
> > >  > Jean
> > > > Not only Georgie. Some folks on this list, eg Chris Gray are
> suspicious
> > > of
> > > > anything Muslims do. As if they are primates who can't navigate the
> web.
> > > > Seen a Persian site? Its lateral, that is writing runs horizontal
> from
> > > right
> > > > to left. English sites scroll down, left to right eye on text.
> > > > Vikki
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:46 PM, JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Vikki
> > > > > Funny isnt it. I wont sign up to Facebook here because I think its
> a
> > > > > centralised spy databank. And yet, as you have just shown, its a
> tool
> > > for
> > > > > change being used by young people in Iran to challenge this
> > > paternalistic
> > > > > and largely suffocating way of doing things.
> > > > > And George Bush calls this collection of well intentioned and
> > > inspirational
> > > > > young persons
> > > > > "The Axis of Evil"? Or at least he used that label on their
> parents.
> > > > > Just not helpful is it?
> > > > > Jean
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Thu, 2/7/09, Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com>
> > > > > Subject: The media revolt in Iran
> > > > > To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > > > Date: Thursday, 2 July, 2009, 4:52 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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