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Dear Vikki,
I did and do deplore the valorization of lost American lives over non-American casualties, whether in regard to 9/11 or 7/11 in the UK, or in Iraq or anywhere. You are absolutely spot-on about that and it's a point that needs to be made.
Diana
> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:56:28 +0930
> Subject: Re: The media revolt in Iran
> From: riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com
> To: situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org
>
> Dear Diana
>
> I was working with about 40 refugees from Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq when
> 9/11 happened. Teaching.
> All my students wrote essays about it. Some for some against.
> A lot of my students were attacked by racists at the school gates. We have
> independent Islamic colleges here.
> Australia maybe a little enlightened but I think people here are just quick
> to take on new ideas.
> Those with flexible minds, not the old conservative establishment however.
> Also we have something unique here, called sbs.
> Its a TV and radio channel in at least 26 languages, set up in 1972 by the
> then PM,
> Gough Whitlam who kind of radicalised the country forevermore.
> To be fair though, the Cheney/Bush propaganda re Islamic society has been so
> effective that it resembles Jon Voigt
> in Runaway Train. Millions of dollars which could have been spent on
> educating North Americans about the geo-political world beyond Mexico
> have been pumped into this propaganda.
> Its sad you had friends who died in the tower, sadder still that Afghan
> women and children are blown up every day by US marines.
> No memorial plaques for them.
>
> Vikki
>
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> >
> > Vikki my experience in New York is that Muslims are regarded as dumb
> > towel-heads only fit to drive taxis and go to mosques where they are told
> > what to think and feel by imams. You must live in an enlightened society.
> >
> >
> >
> > And yes not only did I witness the towers fall from across NY Bay in Staten
> > Island, but I recently worked at the Taiwan Visitors' Bureau on the 80th
> > floor of the North Tower. I knew many of the people who still worked there,
> > such as the food court staff and the ladies' room attendant who was a pal of
> > mind.
> >
> >
> >
> > Staten Island is a borough of NYC known to be the home of many
> > firefighters, police and other civil servants. We had a funeral or two every
> > week for months, as more bodies were found. The firefighters have their own
> > bagpipe players who attend every funeral.
> >
> >
> >
> > I was working at the Staten Island Childrens' Museum on 9/11, right across
> > the water from the WTC. Our receptionist's husband was among the
> > firefighters in the towers when they fell. He was about to retire. She was
> > the towers fall knowing he was in one. They never found him, so the funeral
> > was performed over an empty coffin.
> >
> >
> >
> > Perhaps you know I am writing a long poem that includes a surrealistic
> > visit to the post-9/11 site where the towers fell.
> >
> >
> >
> > Very best,
> >
> >
> >
> > Diana
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 03:19:43 +0000
> > > From: jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com
> > > Subject: Re: The media revolt in Iran
> > > To: situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org
> > >
> > > Dear Diana and Vikki
> > >
> > > I didnt see this post first time round. I think about this catastrophic
> > attack with regularity. There is a consensual tendency to see it (9/11) as
> > another Pearl Harbour. Radio operators garbling signals that kind of thing.
> > > It always strikes me as truly biblical in scale. Something that should
> > appear in cave paintings.
> > > I think the failure to intercept was more to do with an inability to
> > imagine the New York skyline being dismantled. Did you witness it? Thats a
> > stupid question. Being a New Yorker you must have been part of it even post
> > event.
> > > It wasnt prevented because no one had modelled what amounted to a chain
> > reaction of causation and effect.
> > > I dont see that any nation perceives the Muslim world as being
> > uneducated and unscientific. Extreme, fanatical, yes.
> > > I wake up still shocked by 9/11. It just wont go away. There are always
> > new photographs and testimony that emerge. This event must have left great
> > swathes of the population traumatised for good. Imagine, a human engineered
> > earthquake. It leaves America on a permanent war footing, and thats the
> > iniquitous legacy.
> > > You know that the ones who died were young people because thats what you
> > find in offices. And what did they do to deserve that?
> > > I wouldnt make a very good President of the United States. I would have
> > wiped out North Koreas nuclear facility in a pre emptive strike, then turned
> > to the Chinese and said one false move and your next. Pisspot little nation,
> > who the fuck do they think they are?
> > > You see? I had to punch a few heads on the Underground once, applying the
> > same tactic. You see, Im just not head boy material
> > > Was the 9/11 attack driven by emotion or logic? Will someone come forward
> > and tell us one day?
> > > Ceci n'est pas un immeuble. Theres more than a little bit of that too..
> > >
> > > Jean
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/7/09, Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: The media revolt in Iran
> > > To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > Date: Friday, 3 July, 2009, 4:56 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > Diana
> > >
> > > For sure! I mean the Islamic world invented calculus, algebra, all kinds
> > of
> > > mathematical concepts.
> > > And pomegranate juice! Highest amount of Vitamin C and cancer fighting
> > > antioxidants in one hit.
> > > As for Persian poetry... Hafiz, Saadi
> > >
> > > Vikki
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Vikki and Jean,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Don't you think that image of Muslims as abject, uneducated,
> > unscientific
> > > > religious fanatics worked against us in guarding the U.S. against
> > terrorist
> > > > attacks?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No one thought they would be smart enough to use our own planes against
> > us
> > > > as weapons, or coordinate such an intricate and multi-factored plan.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Whenever I said, around the time of 9/11, that the terrorists were
> > > > brilliant, I got a bad reaction. I suppose that is understandable in
> > those
> > > > circumstances, but it was a symptom of how much we underestimate them.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Diana
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:51:24 +0930
> > > > > Subject: Re: The media revolt in Iran
> > > > > From: riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com
> > > > > To: situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org
> > > > >
> > > > > Jean
> > > > > Not only Georgie. Some folks on this list, eg Chris Gray are
> > suspicious
> > > > of
> > > > > anything Muslims do. As if they are primates who can't navigate the
> > web.
> > > > > Seen a Persian site? Its lateral, that is writing runs horizontal
> > from
> > > > right
> > > > > to left. English sites scroll down, left to right eye on text.
> > > > > Vikki
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:46 PM, JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vikki
> > > > > > Funny isnt it. I wont sign up to Facebook here because I think its
> > a
> > > > > > centralised spy databank. And yet, as you have just shown, its a
> > tool
> > > > for
> > > > > > change being used by young people in Iran to challenge this
> > > > paternalistic
> > > > > > and largely suffocating way of doing things.
> > > > > > And George Bush calls this collection of well intentioned and
> > > > inspirational
> > > > > > young persons
> > > > > > "The Axis of Evil"? Or at least he used that label on their
> > parents.
> > > > > > Just not helpful is it?
> > > > > > Jean
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/7/09, Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com>
> > > > > > Subject: The media revolt in Iran
> > > > > > To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > > > > Date: Thursday, 2 July, 2009, 4:52 AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > 2006omid.blogspot.com/2009/05/facebook-and-election-campagin-in-iran.html
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I did and do deplore the valorization of lost American lives over non-American casualties, whether in regard to 9/11 or 7/11 in the UK, or in Iraq or anywhere. You are absolutely spot-on about that and it's a point that needs to be made.
Diana
> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:56:28 +0930
> Subject: Re: The media revolt in Iran
> From: riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com
> To: situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org
>
> Dear Diana
>
> I was working with about 40 refugees from Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq when
> 9/11 happened. Teaching.
> All my students wrote essays about it. Some for some against.
> A lot of my students were attacked by racists at the school gates. We have
> independent Islamic colleges here.
> Australia maybe a little enlightened but I think people here are just quick
> to take on new ideas.
> Those with flexible minds, not the old conservative establishment however.
> Also we have something unique here, called sbs.
> Its a TV and radio channel in at least 26 languages, set up in 1972 by the
> then PM,
> Gough Whitlam who kind of radicalised the country forevermore.
> To be fair though, the Cheney/Bush propaganda re Islamic society has been so
> effective that it resembles Jon Voigt
> in Runaway Train. Millions of dollars which could have been spent on
> educating North Americans about the geo-political world beyond Mexico
> have been pumped into this propaganda.
> Its sad you had friends who died in the tower, sadder still that Afghan
> women and children are blown up every day by US marines.
> No memorial plaques for them.
>
> Vikki
>
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> >
> > Vikki my experience in New York is that Muslims are regarded as dumb
> > towel-heads only fit to drive taxis and go to mosques where they are told
> > what to think and feel by imams. You must live in an enlightened society.
> >
> >
> >
> > And yes not only did I witness the towers fall from across NY Bay in Staten
> > Island, but I recently worked at the Taiwan Visitors' Bureau on the 80th
> > floor of the North Tower. I knew many of the people who still worked there,
> > such as the food court staff and the ladies' room attendant who was a pal of
> > mind.
> >
> >
> >
> > Staten Island is a borough of NYC known to be the home of many
> > firefighters, police and other civil servants. We had a funeral or two every
> > week for months, as more bodies were found. The firefighters have their own
> > bagpipe players who attend every funeral.
> >
> >
> >
> > I was working at the Staten Island Childrens' Museum on 9/11, right across
> > the water from the WTC. Our receptionist's husband was among the
> > firefighters in the towers when they fell. He was about to retire. She was
> > the towers fall knowing he was in one. They never found him, so the funeral
> > was performed over an empty coffin.
> >
> >
> >
> > Perhaps you know I am writing a long poem that includes a surrealistic
> > visit to the post-9/11 site where the towers fell.
> >
> >
> >
> > Very best,
> >
> >
> >
> > Diana
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 03:19:43 +0000
> > > From: jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com
> > > Subject: Re: The media revolt in Iran
> > > To: situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org
> > >
> > > Dear Diana and Vikki
> > >
> > > I didnt see this post first time round. I think about this catastrophic
> > attack with regularity. There is a consensual tendency to see it (9/11) as
> > another Pearl Harbour. Radio operators garbling signals that kind of thing.
> > > It always strikes me as truly biblical in scale. Something that should
> > appear in cave paintings.
> > > I think the failure to intercept was more to do with an inability to
> > imagine the New York skyline being dismantled. Did you witness it? Thats a
> > stupid question. Being a New Yorker you must have been part of it even post
> > event.
> > > It wasnt prevented because no one had modelled what amounted to a chain
> > reaction of causation and effect.
> > > I dont see that any nation perceives the Muslim world as being
> > uneducated and unscientific. Extreme, fanatical, yes.
> > > I wake up still shocked by 9/11. It just wont go away. There are always
> > new photographs and testimony that emerge. This event must have left great
> > swathes of the population traumatised for good. Imagine, a human engineered
> > earthquake. It leaves America on a permanent war footing, and thats the
> > iniquitous legacy.
> > > You know that the ones who died were young people because thats what you
> > find in offices. And what did they do to deserve that?
> > > I wouldnt make a very good President of the United States. I would have
> > wiped out North Koreas nuclear facility in a pre emptive strike, then turned
> > to the Chinese and said one false move and your next. Pisspot little nation,
> > who the fuck do they think they are?
> > > You see? I had to punch a few heads on the Underground once, applying the
> > same tactic. You see, Im just not head boy material
> > > Was the 9/11 attack driven by emotion or logic? Will someone come forward
> > and tell us one day?
> > > Ceci n'est pas un immeuble. Theres more than a little bit of that too..
> > >
> > > Jean
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 3/7/09, Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: The media revolt in Iran
> > > To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > Date: Friday, 3 July, 2009, 4:56 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > Diana
> > >
> > > For sure! I mean the Islamic world invented calculus, algebra, all kinds
> > of
> > > mathematical concepts.
> > > And pomegranate juice! Highest amount of Vitamin C and cancer fighting
> > > antioxidants in one hit.
> > > As for Persian poetry... Hafiz, Saadi
> > >
> > > Vikki
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Vikki and Jean,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Don't you think that image of Muslims as abject, uneducated,
> > unscientific
> > > > religious fanatics worked against us in guarding the U.S. against
> > terrorist
> > > > attacks?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No one thought they would be smart enough to use our own planes against
> > us
> > > > as weapons, or coordinate such an intricate and multi-factored plan.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Whenever I said, around the time of 9/11, that the terrorists were
> > > > brilliant, I got a bad reaction. I suppose that is understandable in
> > those
> > > > circumstances, but it was a symptom of how much we underestimate them.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Diana
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:51:24 +0930
> > > > > Subject: Re: The media revolt in Iran
> > > > > From: riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com
> > > > > To: situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org
> > > > >
> > > > > Jean
> > > > > Not only Georgie. Some folks on this list, eg Chris Gray are
> > suspicious
> > > > of
> > > > > anything Muslims do. As if they are primates who can't navigate the
> > web.
> > > > > Seen a Persian site? Its lateral, that is writing runs horizontal
> > from
> > > > right
> > > > > to left. English sites scroll down, left to right eye on text.
> > > > > Vikki
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:46 PM, JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vikki
> > > > > > Funny isnt it. I wont sign up to Facebook here because I think its
> > a
> > > > > > centralised spy databank. And yet, as you have just shown, its a
> > tool
> > > > for
> > > > > > change being used by young people in Iran to challenge this
> > > > paternalistic
> > > > > > and largely suffocating way of doing things.
> > > > > > And George Bush calls this collection of well intentioned and
> > > > inspirational
> > > > > > young persons
> > > > > > "The Axis of Evil"? Or at least he used that label on their
> > parents.
> > > > > > Just not helpful is it?
> > > > > > Jean
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/7/09, Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com>
> > > > > > Subject: The media revolt in Iran
> > > > > > To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > > > > Date: Thursday, 2 July, 2009, 4:52 AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > 2006omid.blogspot.com/2009/05/facebook-and-election-campagin-in-iran.html
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The media revolt in Iran / Vikki Riley / 02 Jul 2009
Re: The media revolt in Iran / JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com> / 02 Jul 2009
Re: The media revolt in Iran / Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> / 02 Jul 2009
RE: The media revolt in Iran / Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail.com> / 02 Jul 2009
Re: The media revolt in Iran / Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> / 03 Jul 2009
Re: The media revolt in Iran / richard haden <richard_haden-AT-yahoo.com> / 03 Jul 2009
RE: The media revolt in Iran / Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail.com> / 02 Jul 2009
Re: The media revolt in Iran / JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com> / 04 Jul 2009
RE: The media revolt in Iran / Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail.com> / 04 Jul 2009
Re: The media revolt in Iran / Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> / 06 Jul 2009
• RE: The media revolt in Iran / Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail.com> / 06 Jul 2009
Re: The media revolt in Iran / ISSO Stark <issostark-AT-yahoo.co.uk> / 10 Jul 2009
Re: The media revolt in Iran / Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> / 10 Jul 2009
Re: The media revolt in Iran / ISSO Stark <issostark-AT-yahoo.co.uk> / 10 Jul 2009
Re: The media revolt in Iran / ISSO Stark <issostark-AT-yahoo.co.uk> / 10 Jul 2009
Re: The media revolt in Iran / Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> / 10 Jul 2009
Re: The media revolt in Iran / ISSO Stark <issostark-AT-yahoo.co.uk> / 10 Jul 2009
Re: The media revolt in Iran / Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> / 11 Jul 2009
Re: The media revolt in Iran / JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com> / 10 Jul 2009
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