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Re: authentic music/appropriation/ integration for Christsake
Diana
Yes Native Americans did but for some reason, despite the harsh treatment by
the English invaders, aboriginal people have resurrected themselves
culturally and linguistically quite well.
They've survived, their identity is strong. That's what I have tried to
convey on the list here about aboriginal culture and the need to respect
cultural authenticity.
Chris Gray's open slather on appropriating other people's culture in the
name of racial democracy requires refutation I believe.
Vikki
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> Dear Vikki,
>
>
>
> Yes I see where "integrated" can equal genocide. "Assimilated" seems no
> better a word or process.
>
>
>
> Many thanks for the description of aboriginal people's treatment. The U.S..
> has a similar situation concerning Native Americans.
>
>
>
> Diana
>
> > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:06:26 +0930
> > Subject: Re: authentic music/appropriation/ integration for Christsake
> > From: riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com
> > To: situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org
> >
> > Diana,
> > I queried integrated because in Australia, immigrants don't like that
> kind
> > of word (here we would say assimilated, it is usually mentioned by right
> > wing parties here when they have been in power, eg John Howard's reign)..
> > For aboriginal people, assimilation equates with genocide.Our current PM
> > enacted an apology to all aboriginal people in 2008 for past practices of
> > assimilation which involved removing children of colour and placing them
> in
> > white families.
> > Here in Australia now (and I'm just stating the facts) people hold dual
> > nationality. Eg An Italian AND Australian passport. There is no
> compulsion
> > to speak English and many immigrants have lived here for 50 years or more
> > without learning a word of English.
> > "No worries" is the only sentence they need to master. Ditto aboriginal
> > people.
> > English is a second language.
> > We don't have gun culture (cops, bikers have em thats it) here so harmony
> on
> > the streets is fairly easy to accomplish.We have our riots sure. But the
> > fact that the majority of the population is mixed race makes it hard for
> one
> > ethnic group to dominate. .
> > Vikki
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Jean,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay use another word for "living together peacefully" if you don't
> like
> > > the connotes of "integrated."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I didn't mean "homogenized." Our town has lots of public housing
> subsidized
> > > by social service agencies for which tenants pay minimal rent (and yes,
> get
> > > minimal services), as well as affordable working-class housing rented
> our
> > > mortgaged, lower middle-class housing and upper middle-class housing.
> Our
> > > crime rate is the lowest of the five boroughs of NYC, and our services
> to
> > > the elderly and disabled are first-class: food deliveries, in-home
> hospice
> > > care, visiting nurses and doctors, free transporation, etc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, the American class system is at work here as elsewhere; it's not
> > > Paradise. We like the rest of America lack universal health care (come
> on
> > > Mr. O!). We don't have ghettoes; classes and races live on the same
> blocks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Diana
> > > >
> > > > Integrated? Are you serious? Do you really see integration as a
> virtue
> > > because I dont. Not for Whitey anyway.
> > > > I live in a place called Barry in South Wales, not the Baltimore of
> > > popular imagination. Sounds to me like your idea of integration is
> people
> > > who mall together or chat in the bookstore.
> > > > Barry people are integrated alright. They are a bunch of fucking
> rednecks
> > > with an open minded view of the world about one nanometer across.
> > > > Welcome to Noniggersville. You know this is a seabord and tightly
> knit in
> > > that all these fucking morons all know each other. But Marthas fucking
> > > Vineyard it aint.
> > > > What Im saying is that there is a downside to integration. You will
> find
> > > that integration is a specialism of poor people whch is what is
> happening
> > > here. You wont find any fucking Laura Ashley shit here. Plenty of fat
> bully
> > > girls though confident in their shared values of bad body image and
> anyone
> > > who doesnt come from here can go and fuck themselves.
> > > > These kind of people go abroad for their miserable dissipated drunken
> > > holidays and come back pleased with having fucked over some foreigners.
> > > > Barry should be transported to Nevada and fucking vitrified in a new
> test
> > > programme funded by the Welsh Assembly.
> > > > Thats what I think of integration. Im in a bad mood this morning.
> Nobody
> > > fuck with me.
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 30/6/09, Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: authentic music/appropriation
> > > > To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 4:18 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Diana
> > > > What do you mean by integrated?
> > > > The melting pot idea?
> > > > Please clarify.
> > > > Vikki
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Diana Manister <
> dmanister-AT-hotmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't believe any community is more integrated than the North
> Shore
> > > of
> > > > > Staten Island where I live, including the towns of New Brighton,
> West
> > > > > Brighton, Port Richmond, Tompkinsville and Stapleton. I'll put
> these up
> > > > > against any five towns anywhere on that score.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Diana
> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:16:29 +0930
> > > > > > Subject: Re: authentic music/appropriation
> > > > > > From: riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com
> > > > > > To: situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the website for where you live Chris it states that Pleasant
> Hill
> > > CA
> > > > > is
> > > > > > 68.5% white. It does list the other demographics in their pitiful
> > > > > numbers. I
> > > > > > notice their are no Indians or Afghanis on the list. Must make
> eating
> > > out
> > > > > > boring over there.
> > > > > > Where I live - hey I hate to be an ambassador but its a kind of
> > > utopia I
> > > > > > think. If I drive 2 hours east from town I'm in 99% blackfella
> land.
> > > > > Where
> > > > > > they call European people "pink" , how accurate.
> > > > > > My initial point was about non-aboriginal people foolishly
> playing an
> > > > > > aboriginal instrument and claiming they are a bona fide player.
> > > > > > Its all spiralled out of control by your ignorance about this
> whole
> > > > > subject.
> > > > > > Why can't you concede other people may know about this subject?
> > > > > > Your average Joe in Australia knows all this stuff about who can
> and
> > > > > can't
> > > > > > perform aboriginal culture.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vikki
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Christopher Gray <
> > > rasputin-AT-teleport.com
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > And "whitey" isn't a racist term like "blackie" or "nigger"?
> It's a
> > > > > > > euphemism for "honkie".
> > > > > > > What's with the hate of any member of our one race, including
> > > "whitey".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It may interest you to know that many "black" Polynesians (a
> > > > > geographical
> > > > > > > area) are "Caucasoid" (an anthropological "sub-race" term).
> > > > > > > Michael Jackson was near-"white" and was still considered
> "Negroid"
> > > > > > > (another anthropological"sub-race" term).
> > > > > > > U.S. government idiots labeled a "race" as a choice between
> > > elements of
> > > > > > > disparate sets, "Asian" (i.e., geographical set), "white" (a
> color
> > > that
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > be from most anywhere), "African-American" (some fuzzy
> combination
> > > of
> > > > > three
> > > > > > > continents), Native American (based on a period of time
> preceding
> > > the
> > > > > > > African, Asian, South American, and European immigrations),
> > > Vietnamese
> > > > > (a
> > > > > > > nation-state).
> > > > > > > The absurdity of classifications exposes that no one cares who
> you
> > > are
> > > > > just
> > > > > > > as long as an agenda based in quantification makes a usable
> object
> > > out
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > you, as if for some politicians' lie demographic....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Most "pop" music doesn't come from this hated "whitey" anyway..
> > > > > > > Just read "Billboard" and the sales tallies for the last 35
> years.
> > > > > > > Motown was as "pop" as it gets, just as is "elevator jazz" and
> is
> > > > > > > "hip-hop".
> > > > > > > I liked Motown and hated "boy bands".
> > > > > > > Am I "white", "black", or a demographic for both the Brill
> Building
> > > > > "hit"
> > > > > > > factory, payola of colorless capital and its post-leather
> "sweet
> > > > > nothings",
> > > > > > > or what?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I worked as a DJ, in a record store (7 years), and played in
> > > several
> > > > > bands
> > > > > > > (from age 12-17).
> > > > > > > Musical history, from what I experienced and from what I
> learned
> > > from
> > > > > > > others still in the field (Barry Melton, Ike Willis, Jon
> Koonce,
> > > The
> > > > > > > X-Angels, Jeff Lorber, Stan Ridgway, and many more): everyone
> > > playing
> > > > > it got
> > > > > > > screwed, everyone listening got screwed, and everyone paying to
> > > hear it
> > > > > got
> > > > > > > screwed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A few interesting books for general reference (one on the forms
> > > coming
> > > > > > > classical and avant-garde, mainly from Europe; one covering
> rock
> > > and
> > > > > pop).
> > > > > > > There's plenty more. I'd appreciate any recommendations,
> especially
> > > > > dealing
> > > > > > > with the varieties of tonality, scales, etc. from other parts
> of
> > > the
> > > > > world.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here's two:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Twentieth-Century Music: An Introduction - by Eric Salzman
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Offering complete, accurate coverage in a tightly condensed,
> > > simple
> > > > > > > format, this comprehensive exploration of modern music (to
> 1998)
> > > deals
> > > > > > > primarily with the music itself and musical ideas. It puts the
> > > whole
> > > > > century
> > > > > > > in a unified concept, helping readers make sense out of the
> > > > > heterogeneity.
> > > > > > > It explains the overall development of 20th century music in
> > > relation
> > > > > to the
> > > > > > > past and to two big cycles of contemporary music; and
> encompasses
> > > > > classical
> > > > > > > and experimental traditions as well as popular elements, media,
> > > > > multi-media,
> > > > > > > and theater. Twentieth-Century Music and the Past. THE
> BREAKDOWN OF
> > > > > > > TRADITIONAL TONALITY. The Sources. The Revolution: Paris and
> > > Vienna.
> > > > > THE NEW
> > > > > > > TONALITIES. Stravinsky and Neo-Classicism. Neo-Classicism and
> > > > > Neo-Tonality
> > > > > > > in France and Outside of France. National Styles. Musical
> Theater.
> > > > > ATONALITY
> > > > > > > AND TWELVE-TONE MUSIC. The Viennese School. The Diffusion of
> > > > > Twelve-Tone
> > > > > > > Music. THE AVANT GARDE. Before World War II. Technological
> Culture
> > > and
> > > > > > > Electronic Music. Ultra-Rationality and Serialism.
> Anti-Rationality
> > > and
> > > > > > > Aleatory. The New Performed Music: The United States.
> > > Post-Serialism:
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > New Performance Practice in Europe. POST-MODERNISM. Beyond
> Modern
> > > > > Music.
> > > > > > > Back to Tonality. Pop as Culture. Media and Theater. Music
> > > Examples.
> > > > > For
> > > > > > > courses anyone interested in 20th Century Music, Modern Music,
> or
> > > the
> > > > > > > History of Music. "
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rock and the Pop Narcotic - by Joe Carducci
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> www.amazon.com/Rock-Pop-Narcotic-Joe-Carducci/dp/188098511X/ref=sr_1_146251484&sr=1-1
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Three reviews:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Joe Carducci is best known for playing a crucial role in the
> > > running
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > SST records, probably the most important US independent record
> > > label
> > > > > > > (certainly of the past 30 years), in the early 80's. The
> principal
> > > > > selling
> > > > > > > point for me was the long-overdue acknowledgement of the bands
> on
> > > the
> > > > > label,
> > > > > > > who were breaking new ground in rock music while the
> Euro-fixated
> > > rock
> > > > > press
> > > > > > > was asleep at the wheel covering bands and artists who were
> > > completely
> > > > > > > irrelevant to the form. Rock journalism is delivered a sound,
> much
> > > > > deserved
> > > > > > > beating from Carducci, and I treasured every minute of it. It's
> an
> > > > > > > indescribable breath of fresh air to hear a view contrary to
> its
> > > > > de-regeuer
> > > > > > > leftist utopianism, phobia of physical music, and projection of
> > > > > > > university-fostered social schemes onto rock music. His
> contrasting
> > > of
> > > > > > > "rock" vs. "pop" music is central to his aesthetic, and while
> I'll
> > > > > never
> > > > > > > understand his appreciation of certain bands, this is one of
> the
> > > best
> > > > > books
> > > > > > > on rock you'll read."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "This book is impressive, and not only for the deep knowledge
> of
> > > rock
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > Carducci displays. The opening chapters describing what the
> "real"
> > > > > sounds of
> > > > > > > rock are should be required reading for anyone interested in
> > > forming a
> > > > > band.
> > > > > > > The scope of this book is unrivalled and the selections for the
> > > most
> > > > > > > influential bands will raise more than a few eyebrows (No where
> > > else
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > you see James "Blood" Ulmer mentioned in the same vein as
> Sabbath).
> > > > > Carducci
> > > > > > > rightly praises the "Black" bands (Sabbath and Flag) as the
> most
> > > > > influential
> > > > > > > in their respective genre's, but it may come as a surprise to
> many
> > > that
> > > > > > > Carducci attributes (perhaps correctly) the original "wall of
> > > sound"
> > > > > > > approach to Eddie Cochrane. While this book doesn't cover heavy
> > > metal
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > it's sub-genres very completely (see Ian Christe's Sound of the
> > > Beast
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > that), it wasn't meant to (see Title). In addition, this is one
> of
> > > the
> > > > > few
> > > > > > > books that credits (rightly) the Ramones for their widespread
> > > influence
> > > > > > > (early Black Flag and the Misfits to name two of the most
> > > well-known).
> > > > > In
> > > > > > > addition to the depth of knowledge displayed, Carducci will
> have
> > > you
> > > > > rolling
> > > > > > > in laughter more than once. If all the above is not enough, the
> > > > > appendices
> > > > > > > with original poster art and one of the funniest Ray Pettibon
> > > paintings
> > > > > > > (Give me librium or give me meth....) are worth the price of
> the
> > > book
> > > > > alone.
> > > > > > > Buy it and then buy some essential music!"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Simply put: this is the best and most thoroughly under-rated
> book
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > subject of rock music. Carducci knows his subject inside out
> and
> > > gives
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > belated due to many greats of the '70s and '80s (Pere Ubu,
> Black
> > > Flag,
> > > > > > > Ramones, Minutemen, Saccharine Trust, Birthday Party, etc.), as
> > > well as
> > > > > > > correcting so many of the falsities propogated by the leftist
> music
> > > > > media of
> > > > > > > the last 30-40 years. The basic contention is that
> "unfashionable"
> > > > > forms of
> > > > > > > ROCK MUSIC (surf, greaser, punk, heavy metal) have never been
> given
> > > > > their
> > > > > > > credit due to the class snobbery of the rock-crit elite who
> favour
> > > the
> > > > > > > liberal, do-gooding sounds of pop simps U2, Sting, etc. and
> because
> > > > > "real"
> > > > > > > rock doesn't have the marketability of the pop stars that
> imitate
> > > it.
> > > > > > > There's no way you'll agree with everything Carducci has to
> say,
> > > but
> > > > > it's
> > > > > > > certainly the only rock'n'roll book that's ever made me really
> > > THINK."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I suggest:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Jun 28, 2009, at 7:23 PM, Vikki Riley wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Totally irrelevant comparison Laurie.
> > > > > > >> Where's the aboriginal song here that whitey is singing?
> > > > > > >> We are not talking pop music
> > > > > > >> Vikki
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 2:53 AM, Laurie Colson <
> > > > > lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com
> > > > > > >> >wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> When Elvis came out, some felt he climbed upon the backs of
> black
> > > > > > >>> artists.
> > > > > > >>> Consider the tale of Hound Dog. Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller
> > > were
> > > > > Jewish
> > > > > > >>> boys from the east coast who fell in love with black music.
> > > Hustling
> > > > > in
> > > > > > >>> L.A.
> > > > > > >>> in the early fifities, they wrote 'Hound Dog' and gave it to
> > > Johnny
> > > > > Otis
> > > > > > >>> a
> > > > > > >>> ruling R&B bandleader who was actually a dark skinned white
> man
> > > from
> > > > > > >>> Berkely
> > > > > > >>> who many thought was black. Otis gave the song to Mama
> Thornton,
> > > who
> > > > > made
> > > > > > >>> it
> > > > > > >>> a number on hit in 53, Otis also took part of the composers
> > > credit,
> > > > > > >>> Leiber
> > > > > > >>> and Stoller fought to get it back. Elvis heard the record,
> > > changed it
> > > > > > >>> completely, and cut Thornton's version to threads.
> > > > > > >>> Whites wrote it, a white made it a hit, Yet there is no
> denying
> > > Hound
> > > > > Dog
> > > > > > >>> is a black song, unthinkable outside the impulses of black
> music,
> > > and
> > > > > > >>> probably a piece of jukejoint fury dating before any of these
> > > people
> > > > > were
> > > > > > >>> alive. This was Elvis's music because he made it his own.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> ----- Original Message ----
> > > > > > >>> From: Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com>
> > > > > > >>> To: Situationist <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > > > > >>> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:09:38 AM
> > > > > > >>> Subject: Re: Kundalini,Orgone,Chi,Christ,Tesla
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Chris
> > > > > > >>> Well I knew you were going to get tetchy about my comments re
> > > > > aboriginal
> > > > > > >>> music!
> > > > > > >>> What is wrong with authenticity I wonder and what excuse does
> the
> > > > > > >>> non-aboriginal have for claiming aboriginality?
> > > > > > >>> None.
> > > > > > >>> Colonialism and the conquering of indigenous peoples has seen
> > > land,
> > > > > > >>> language
> > > > > > >>> and culture destroyed and co-opted.
> > > > > > >>> I read your essays Chris about the expoloitation of people by
> > > > > > >>> Imperialist,
> > > > > > >>> Marxist and Fascist entities/States and am very suprised that
> > > when we
> > > > > > >>> have
> > > > > > >>> an example of this,
> > > > > > >>> you are up in arms. No this guy pklaying trance-fusion music
> by
> > > using
> > > > > a
> > > > > > >>> didgeridoo( possibly a commercially made one from Asia in
> fact)
> > > is
> > > > > NOT
> > > > > > >>> practising aboriginal music.
> > > > > > >>> The didgeridoo is used in ceremony, played by certain men or
> > > boys.
> > > > > There
> > > > > > >>> are
> > > > > > >>> various ceremonies, involving men's business or dance
> ceremonies
> > > > > where
> > > > > > >>> the
> > > > > > >>> instrument is
> > > > > > >>> leads in the dancers. Good players mimic sounds - nature,
> animals
> > > -
> > > > > > >>> unlike
> > > > > > >>> clapsticks the dideridoo is not a rhythm maker.
> > > > > > >>> Sadly those who pick it up and use it in a "world music"
> setting
> > > end
> > > > > up
> > > > > > >>> sounding like kazoos or worse, as many aboriginal people
> joke, a
> > > > > white
> > > > > > >>> man
> > > > > > >>> farting.
> > > > > > >>> I would say ditto to the Celtic music in a sense. Irish music
> has
> > > a
> > > > > > >>> particular root and birthplace at the crossroads of Moroccan
> and
> > > > > Spanish
> > > > > > >>> medieval music that only comes from geographical history.
> > > > > > >>> The Scotsman pipes are a bit removed from that.
> > > > > > >>> No I do not delight in distorting anything Chris.
> > > > > > >>> Just defending those whose culture has been commodified,
> > > sanitised
> > > > > and
> > > > > > >>> misrepresented.In the interests of money/self promotion.
> > > > > > >>> The whole time I have been on this list I have received
> deriding
> > > > > stupid
> > > > > > >>> and
> > > > > > >>> ignorant comments about my country of origin.
> > > > > > >>> I've been accused of being silent.
> > > > > > >>> I'm in a different time zone from all of you!!!
> > > > > > >>> I sent Kathy a good didgeridu player to look at in the hope
> she
> > > will
> > > > > take
> > > > > > >>> interest.
> > > > > > >>> I can send more. Its called generosity of knowledge that I
> > > presumed
> > > > > this
> > > > > > >>> list was about.
> > > > > > >>> Never mind that I am a published writer on music and do have
> a
> > > degree
> > > > > of
> > > > > > >>> expertise. I've never taken the piss out of your knowledge.
> > > > > > >>> Vikki
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Christopher Gray <
> > > > > > >>> rasputin-AT-teleport.com
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> I see. Again, unless a Celt is playing Celtic music, it's NOT
> > > > > Celtic?!
> > > > > > >>>> Unless an Aborigine is playing Aboriginal music it isn't
> > > Aboriginal?
> > > > > > >>>> Unless a women is singing a song written by a woman it can't
> > > have
> > > > > any
> > > > > > >>>> meaning?
> > > > > > >>>> Unless Bill Monroe is playing one of his own songs, it isn't
> > > > > bluegrass?
> > > > > > >>>> What utter non-sense!
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> You delight in distorting, misquoting, and deriving delusive
> > > > > conclusions
> > > > > > >>>> about everything anybody says, but cannot go back in time to
> > > delete
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >>>> message where your misrepresentation begins.
> > > > > > >>>> I never said that Kinder was anything. I said he played it!
> > > > > > >>>> How much more fucking simple does it have to get?
> > > > > > >>>> Is this mindless deconstruction of languages' semantics
> going
> > > after
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>> syntax
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> next, and then its very lexicality, escorting a
> complementary
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>> dumbification
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> into the social brain (as brain disease), only to be
> satisfied
> > > when
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>> grunts
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> and clicks between collared drooling boneheads is all that's
> > > left?
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Efforts on this list have that project well on its way,
> complete
> > > > > with
> > > > > > >>>> organic re-subhuman prototyping....
> > > > > > >>>> It's really irritating and not interesting at all.
> > > > > > >>>> And attractive? Hardly.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> chris
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> On Jun 24, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Vikki Riley wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Chris
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Stephen Kent is from San Fran. He's not aboriginal.
> > > > > > >>>>> No credibility whatsover so Kathy's tastes are quite
> KMartish .
> > > > > > >>>>> Yidaki players are taught by elders at the age of 5
> usually.
> > > Very
> > > > > few
> > > > > > >>>>> white
> > > > > > >>>>> people are priveleged to be brought up by traditional
> > > aboriginal
> > > > > > >>>>> musicians.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Vikki
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Christopher Gray <
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>> rasputin-AT-teleport.com
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> What?!
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Quite the imagination.
> > > > > > >>>>>> Pass a name around the circle and when it comes back you
> don't
> > > > > even
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> know
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> the person that everyone else has re-created. It's an
> > > interesting
> > > > > > >>>>>> game....
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> She likes music from all over the world, especially, I've
> > > noticed,
> > > > > > >>>>>> Scottish-Indian fusion (Enya), heavy surf (Dick Dale, Gary
> > > Hoey),
> > > > > > >>>>>> classical
> > > > > > >>>>>> Indian instrumental, psychedelic surf (The Mermen, Polo
> del
> > > Mar) ,
> > > > > > >>>>>> electronica (Tangerine Dream), "spaghetti" western music
> > > > > (including
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Wall
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > > >>>>>> Voodoo), Asian fusion, violin rock-fusion (Jean-Luc Ponty,
> > > Jerry
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Goodman,
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Steve Kindler, Scarlet Rivera), Aboriginal (Stephen Kent,
> Steve
> > > > > Roch),
> > > > > > >>>>>> "acid" trance, Celtic (Enya), Indian (Rasa, Shankar),
> > > > > Andes-American
> > > > > > >>>>>> (Cusco), etc. Most of it wouldn't work in a strip bar. She
> > > does
> > > > > have
> > > > > > >>>>>> some
> > > > > > >>>>>> "Grind" music and "lounge" sound. So, she is appreciative
> of
> > > many
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> musical
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> roots, as am I; her son was a keyboard composer and her
> daughter
> > > > > plays
> > > > > > >>>>>> and
> > > > > > >>>>>> teaches jazz bass in Oakland-Berkeley.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> She can dance all over the place while I occasionally join
> in.
> > > > > Music
> > > > > > >>>>>> is
> > > > > > >>>>>> dead here: no clubs but for headbash-metal or
> polyester-disco
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> hangovers.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> I
> > > > > > >>>>>> have yet to get anyone but Kathy to see The Tubes or Stan
> > > Ridgway
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> (first
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> lead singer for Wall of Voodoo); she'll go, but others in
> the
> > > area
> > > > > are
> > > > > > >>>>>> lost
> > > > > > >>>>>> in the drone of [c]rap and p[l]op or commercial jingles.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Since she quit the list long ago, and is not wishing for
> > > abstract
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> attacks
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> on her to be passive-aggressively used against me, she asked
> > > that
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> anyone
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> finding her "Black Box" Self-introduction (listed below)
> > > > > interesting,
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> please feel free to contact her directly via her email at <
> > > > > > >>>>>> kathykundalini-AT-committee-for-transcendence.org>:
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> =========================> > > > > > >>>>>> My name is Kathy. I am here to (hopefully, perhaps, maybe)
> > > engage
> > > > > with
> > > > > > >>>>>> others in the creation of a path and practice aimed
> towards a
> > > > > > >>>>>> personal/collective transformation and liberation. For me,
> > > such a
> > > > > path
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> is
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> a
> > > > > > >>>>>> deeply personal project, as well as, a social/historical
> and
> > > > > global
> > > > > > >>>>>> project.
> > > > > > >>>>>> I do not have a party-line or recipe to apply. Rather, I
> wish
> > > to
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> develop
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> thoughtful, playful, "subversive," open-ended, and
> experimental
> > > > > > >>>>>> activities
> > > > > > >>>>>> of "political" engagement. But, perhaps more importantly,
> I
> > > also
> > > > > wish
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> create an ongoing, exploratory practice of transformation of
> our
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> current
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> forms of consciousness, of our personal sense of who, and
> what,
> > > we
> > > > > > >>>>>> are.
> > > > > > >>>>>> For
> > > > > > >>>>>> me, practice is not only about what we "do to others" --
> but
> > > also
> > > > > what
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> we
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> do
> > > > > > >>>>>> to ourselves. I feel my personal path of awakening and
> radical
> > > > > > >>>>>> transformation is really just beginning, not an
> accomplished
> > > fact
> > > > > at
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> all.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> I
> > > > > > >>>>>> am not talking only about knowledge-acquisition or
> learning
> > > more
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> theory,
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> but
> > > > > > >>>>>> I am not excluding these either. I am referring to the
> > > > > experiential
> > > > > > >>>>>> quality
> > > > > > >>>>>> of our lives, of our self-understanding of "who we are,"
> and
> > > what
> > > > > this
> > > > > > >>>>>> life-world might be, as in, this planet, this universe,
> these
> > > > > living
> > > > > > >>>>>> organisms that we are, these conscious experiences that we
> > > seem to
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> have.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Who
> > > > > > >>>>>> am I? Who are you? What do I see when I look into your
> eyes?
> > > How
> > > > > do I
> > > > > > >>>>>> have
> > > > > > >>>>>> these experiences? How is it I find myself here and now --
> > > with
> > > > > you?
> > > > > > >>>>>> It
> > > > > > >>>>>> is
> > > > > > >>>>>> about awakening and more awakening, and finding ways to
> > > express
> > > > > our
> > > > > > >>>>>> awakening, and also of becoming more compassionate,
> mindful,
> > > > > > >>>>>> conscious,
> > > > > > >>>>>> present-to-our-lives. I guess I am talking about some kind
> of
> > > > > > >>>>>> "enlightenment," a shared enlightenment, a collective
> > > > > transcendence.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> All
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > > >>>>>> us, together.
> > > > > > >>>>>> I have a general critique of world capitalism, and, for
> all of
> > > my
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> adult
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> life, I have been either actively attempting to promote a
> world
> > > > > > >>>>>> revolution,
> > > > > > >>>>>> or silently awaiting such a global movement to appear. But
> my
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> attraction
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>> such ideas and practices has not come from a sense of
> > > > > other-oriented
> > > > > > >>>>>> duty,
> > > > > > >>>>>> but rather because these modes of thinking and acting were
> > > > > inherently
> > > > > > >>>>>> interesting, engaging, seductive, challenging. Radical
> > > > > consciousness
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> has
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> its
> > > > > > >>>>>> own rewards, as it speaks to who we are and who we want to
> be.
> > > My
> > > > > > >>>>>> interests
> > > > > > >>>>>> range beyond what is "traditionally" seen as "political"
> or
> > > > > "Marxist."
> > > > > > >>>>>> Yes,
> > > > > > >>>>>> I am drawn toward understanding history, radical social
> > > movements,
> > > > > > >>>>>> general
> > > > > > >>>>>> critiques of capitalist society, alienated labor, the
> > > commodity
> > > > > form,
> > > > > > >>>>>> class
> > > > > > >>>>>> societies, etc. But I am also very much interested in
> other
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> philosophies
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> and
> > > > > > >>>>>> viewpoints, like those of existentialism, phenomenology,
> > > > > "primitive"
> > > > > > >>>>>> societies, "New Age" thinking, etc., and I am also very
> > > involved
> > > > > in
> > > > > > >>>>>> "Eastern" thought, such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Vedanta,
> Yoga,
> > > > > Tantra,
> > > > > > >>>>>> etc. I
> > > > > > >>>>>> have found, in particular, that these "Eastern" approaches
> > > have
> > > > > potent
> > > > > > >>>>>> techniques that can assist one who sees herself on a
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> self-transformative
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> path -- techniques such as meditation, yoga, ecstatic dance,
> > > > > chanting,
> > > > > > >>>>>> breathing, compassion-in-action, existential questioning,
> > > > > integration
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> of
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> body/mind, consciousness transformation, etc. But, as I
> said, I
> > > also
> > > > > > >>>>>> remain
> > > > > > >>>>>> "political." I have yet to integrate all these various
> strands
> > > of
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> thought
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> and practice, stretching from Marxist critique to Buddhist
> > > breathing
> > > > > > >>>>>> meditation, etc., into a "coherent" viewpoint, except as
> they
> > > all
> > > > > > >>>>>> intersect
> > > > > > >>>>>> in me. But whatever trend of thought I find myself
> exploring,
> > > I
> > > > > try to
> > > > > > >>>>>> allow
> > > > > > >>>>>> the ideas to sink into me, and to alter me in some way --
> as
> > > in,
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >>>>>> change
> > > > > > >>>>>> my experience and my orientation toward life. Practice is
> the
> > > key
> > > > > --
> > > > > > >>>>>> though
> > > > > > >>>>>> personally I cannot put myself on any kind of pedestal in
> that
> > > > > regard,
> > > > > > >>>>>> politically or spiritually.
> > > > > > >>>>>> So my endeavor is not to substitute the purely personal
> for
> > > the
> > > > > > >>>>>> political
> > > > > > >>>>>> -- but rather, to develop a practice that aims for the
> > > mutually
> > > > > > >>>>>> integrative
> > > > > > >>>>>> transcendence of both. Yes, I want to participate in a
> global
> > > > > movement
> > > > > > >>>>>> that
> > > > > > >>>>>> might take us all beyond the constrictions of our current
> > > daily
> > > > > lives,
> > > > > > >>>>>> and
> > > > > > >>>>>> beyond the ever-threatening crisis of world capitalism.
> But I
> > > am
> > > > > also
> > > > > > >>>>>> a
> > > > > > >>>>>> human consciousness, living all the mystery that this
> > > involves. I
> > > > > am
> > > > > > >>>>>> aware
> > > > > > >>>>>> of my own existence, though I do not understand it, and
> cannot
> > > > > explain
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> it
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> at
> > > > > > >>>>>> all. But this is my life, I am living it now. I want to
> awaken
> > > > > more
> > > > > > >>>>>> and
> > > > > > >>>>>> more
> > > > > > >>>>>> to what this might "mean," and to awaken to what my
> > > possibilities
> > > > > are,
> > > > > > >>>>>> right
> > > > > > >>>>>> now, in this moment. So I am not only a historical being,
> but
> > > also
> > > > > an
> > > > > > >>>>>> existential/spiritual being, searching for transcendence..
> It
> > > is a
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> matter
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > > >>>>>> simultaneously locating myself, with others, on this
> > > > > social-historical
> > > > > > >>>>>> dimension, while also creating the forms of
> self-reflective
> > > > > expression
> > > > > > >>>>>> for
> > > > > > >>>>>> what we feel "inside" -- to explore, embody, and express
> > > certain
> > > > > > >>>>>> potentials
> > > > > > >>>>>> -- and also to create the path to the "other side of this
> > > life" --
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >>>>>> path
> > > > > > >>>>>> toward that which calls from just beyond the horizon of
> > > > > consciousness,
> > > > > > >>>>>> beyond these constricting social forms, beyond what we
> have
> > > been
> > > > > told
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> it
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> means to be a person in this society.
> > > > > > >>>>>> So then, the question becomes, how does my path intersect
> with
> > > > > others?
> > > > > > >>>>>> With yours? What can we do individually and collectively
> to
> > > > > > >>>>>> self-understand,
> > > > > > >>>>>> self-create, self-transform? How do we mutually provoke,
> > > enliven,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > >>>>>> express our need for transcendence? How to do this amidst
> this
> > > > > > >>>>>> overwhelming
> > > > > > >>>>>> and omnipresent capitalist society? How to engage in
> > > > > > >>>>>> social/personal/transformative practice -- effectively?
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> So this is a little of me. And so, now, who are you? Who
> would
> > > you
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> like
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> to be? What would you like to do? What can we do together?
> What
> > > game
> > > > > > >>>>>> do
> > > > > > >>>>>> you
> > > > > > >>>>>> want to play today?
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Namaste (I bow to you)
> > > > > > >>>>>> Kathy
> > > > > > >>>>>> =========================> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> best wishes,
> > > > > > >>>>>> chris
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> On Jun 23, 2009, at 8:37 PM, Vikki Riley wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Hey Laurie
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Well I've been to San Fran and smelt the err petrol fumes
> err
> > > I
> > > > > mean
> > > > > > >>>>>>> organic
> > > > > > >>>>>>> garden aromas competing with latino noise and coke
> > > > > addicts.....Wish
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> I'd
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> met
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Kathy Kundalini I guess if she was in the Mission she'd
> be a
> > > > > stripper
> > > > > > >>>>>>> gyrating to alt rock no doubt..
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Laurie Colson <
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> I don't think Buddha is New Age, it's No Age, but I was
> > > saying
> > > > > that I
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> have
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> known many New Agers that embrace Buddhist principles;
> while
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> belittling
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Christian ones. If I had a Phd. from Berkley--well I know
> it's
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> different
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> out
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> there but I would put my real name in front of it. I
> > > inferred a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> NewAge
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> and
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Orgone reference in the psuedonym, Kundalini. I could
> not
> > > help
> > > > > but
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> do
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> so.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> You live in San Fran, and have a garden, fruit and nut
> > > orchard?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> You receive Social Security, but are waiting till it is
> cut
> > > off
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> exit
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> dependency matrix? Callling me procapitalist? I don't
> have
> > > > > capital
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> like
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> I
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> don't have equity or own anything over a couple hundred
> > > bucks,
> > > > > for
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> real.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> I
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> receive social security also, and as told you my
> daughter
> > > who
> > > > > lives
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> with
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> me
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> is taxpaying U.S.M.C. (I know, women usually have more
> > > empathy
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> regarding
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> humans. She's only twenty. Empathy as exhibited in
> passage
> > > from
> > > > > you
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> another human ""The One" is such an asshole liar, always
> seeking
> > > the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> attention that people defending themselves or views
> brings
> > > back
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> IT,
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> liar.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> IT ought to try inserting ITS manhood up ITS own ass;
> it's
> > > as
> > > > > close
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> love
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> as IT'll probably get, although I'm certain limp rape.
> But
> > > then,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> IT'll
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> never
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> call ITself the next day, and the world of IT-top and
> > > IT-bottom,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> eternally
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> dualistic, will be all who "care", if IT possesses even
> that
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> quality."
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> I am "insensitive/ignorant visionless capitalist fascist." I
> am
> > > not
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> guilty of ad-hominum attacks, at least. What's wrong
> with
> > > Star
> > > > > Wars?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> George
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Lucas is a visionary. So there. Are you saying lastly
> that
> > > > > taking a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> shit
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> is
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> a procapitalistfascist movement? A good bowel movement
> is a
> > > sign
> > > > > of
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> robust
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> health.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> ________________________________
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> From: Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> To: Situationist <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Cc: Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 2:00:06 AM
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kundalini,Orgone,Chi,Christ,Tesla
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> sadly, the Visionless One cannot comprehend that some
> people
> > > use
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> pseudonyms
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> and aliases. In fact, ALL email uses aliasing to even
> work
> > > at
> > > > > all.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Some
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> people use anonymous servers. Others like to keep some
> privacy
> > > so
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> they
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> get
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Yahoo, MSN/Hotmail, or Google/gmail email addresses.
> It's a
> > > > > security
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> measure
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> as well. But then, when you cannot see a need for
> security 1
> > > > > inch in
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> front
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> of your nose, well... perhaps the sense as well as the
> fun
> > > both
> > > > > get
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> missed.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Kathy went on to get a library sciences masters degree
> and
> > > used
> > > > > it
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> get
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> job at the SF Chronicle for nearly 24 years before the
> > > another
> > > > > SFC
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> demise-pending layoff of recent. Since we combine for
> less
> > > than
> > > > > 1/2
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> of
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> what
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> either of use used to get, we are spending much time
> > > gardening
> > > > > food
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> so
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> we
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> can save money and store food, carrying bath/shower
> water to
> > > the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> rain
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> barrel
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> or directly to the garden fruits/nut trees, etc.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> When her unemployment runs out or when my Social
> Security is
> > > cut
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> off,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> we
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> will lose the house and be on the street. For now, we
> are
> > > trying
> > > > > as
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> cheaply
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> as we can to get off the matrix of dependency so that we
> > > have no
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> food
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> or
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> utility bills, only a mortgage (bank as the landlord)
> > > payment.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Buddhism is not New Age. That kind of snide disregard
> for
> > > how a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> greter
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> portion of the world sees reality is expected and typically
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> insensitive/ignorant.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> I appreciate your undeterred interest. Women usually
> have
> > > more
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> empathy
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> regarding humans. Cranking out idiots high on Doom, Star
> Wars,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Extreme
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Cage
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Fighting, and aggressive cynicism is why there is no
> > > movement
> > > > > today
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> worth
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> shit, except for that movement itself, which is
> > > proto-fascist
> > > > > and
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> pro-capitalist.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Send Kathy an email. She'd enjoy your views and
> comments....
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> best,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> chris
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Jun 22, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Laurie Colson wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Baltimore? have you ever seen Pink Flamingos by John
> Waters?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> According
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Chris Grey Kathy Kundalini is from Berkley, Ca, were
> she
> > > > > attended
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> university
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> in philosophy. I don't see how it is likely design
> students
> > > and
> > > > > New
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Agers
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> and Sarte deconstructors engage with History and Class
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Conciousness,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> but
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> she and others supposedly do in S.I. It's a big tent.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> ________________________________
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> From: Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> To: Situationist <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 12:54:55 AM
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kundalini,Orgone,Chi,Christ,Tesla
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Yeah right my real name is Victoria Viagra
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> What a load of New Age trash! Kathy Kundalini is
> probably
> > > some
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> tranvestite
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> from where? Baltimore no doubt
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Laurie Colson <
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> "Kathy's work includes several pieces that may be of
> use to
> > > you
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> w/r/t
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> her ability to synthesize Buddhism, Native American
> > > beliefs,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> phenomenology, Hegelian dialectics, and Situationist
> > > theory:"
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> ...slowly i turned....
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Her name is seriously Kathy Kundalini? Man, I feel
> stupid
> > > for
> > > > > not
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> putting
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> all this together sooner, Orgone IS Kundalini, Chi,
> Prana,
> > > > > Christ. I
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> just
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> haven't been thinking I guess. Reich split from Freud
> was
> > > > > because he
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> claimed
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> libido was an actual measurable force, Orgone, which
> could
> > > be
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> accumulated...
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> searching the internet, accumulators come in all
> variety,
> > > and
> > > > > price
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> range
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> addressing societal environment cancer illls. The
> romantic
> > > in me
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> thinks
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> mythology of Reich is cool, but his is a mystic and
> > > philosopher,
> > > > > not
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> an
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> engineer or phycist. His accumulator is a low powered
> Tesla
> > > > > coil,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > >
> members.dslextreme.com/users/rogermw/Reich/orgone_field_meter.html
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> He thought orgone was being messed with from flying
> saucers.
> > > > > Tesla
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> was
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> an
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> eccentric also. But an electrical engineer and physcst..
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Aside from his work on electromagnetism and
> > > electromechanical
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> engineering,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Tesla has contributed in varying degrees to the
> > > establishment of
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> robotics,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> remote control, radar and computer science, and to the
> > > expansion
> > > > > of
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> ballistics, nuclear physics,[8] and theoretical
> physics. In
> > > > > 1943,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Supreme Court of the United States credited him as being the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> inventor
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> radio.[9]
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Many of his achievements have been used, with some
> > > > > controversy, to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> support various pseudosciences, UFO theories, and
> early
> > > New
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Ageoccultism. <
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Why do New Agers shun and deny the Christ form of this
> light
> > > > > energy,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> but
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> not buddha? Or laying on of hands? how differ from
> Reichi
> > > etc.
> > > > > I've
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> always
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> said I didn't believe in anything supernatural but I
> have no
> > > way
> > > > > of
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> knowing.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> But when speaking of Reich, well, people should be more
> > > careful,
> > > > > at
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> least
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> stating the nature of his work. Maybe I should get Ms.
> > > > > Khundalini's
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> work
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> on
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dialectic No More; or a cerebral torque wrench. I mean
> this
> > > > > stuff,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> seriously. Maybe I'll go read some Allan Ginsburg, or
> > > listen to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Tesla
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> records. Just cause I love Kate Bush's Cloudbusting doesn't
> mean
> > > I
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> should
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> have posted it in defense of Reich.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
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Yes Native Americans did but for some reason, despite the harsh treatment by
the English invaders, aboriginal people have resurrected themselves
culturally and linguistically quite well.
They've survived, their identity is strong. That's what I have tried to
convey on the list here about aboriginal culture and the need to respect
cultural authenticity.
Chris Gray's open slather on appropriating other people's culture in the
name of racial democracy requires refutation I believe.
Vikki
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> Dear Vikki,
>
>
>
> Yes I see where "integrated" can equal genocide. "Assimilated" seems no
> better a word or process.
>
>
>
> Many thanks for the description of aboriginal people's treatment. The U.S..
> has a similar situation concerning Native Americans.
>
>
>
> Diana
>
> > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:06:26 +0930
> > Subject: Re: authentic music/appropriation/ integration for Christsake
> > From: riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com
> > To: situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org
> >
> > Diana,
> > I queried integrated because in Australia, immigrants don't like that
> kind
> > of word (here we would say assimilated, it is usually mentioned by right
> > wing parties here when they have been in power, eg John Howard's reign)..
> > For aboriginal people, assimilation equates with genocide.Our current PM
> > enacted an apology to all aboriginal people in 2008 for past practices of
> > assimilation which involved removing children of colour and placing them
> in
> > white families.
> > Here in Australia now (and I'm just stating the facts) people hold dual
> > nationality. Eg An Italian AND Australian passport. There is no
> compulsion
> > to speak English and many immigrants have lived here for 50 years or more
> > without learning a word of English.
> > "No worries" is the only sentence they need to master. Ditto aboriginal
> > people.
> > English is a second language.
> > We don't have gun culture (cops, bikers have em thats it) here so harmony
> on
> > the streets is fairly easy to accomplish.We have our riots sure. But the
> > fact that the majority of the population is mixed race makes it hard for
> one
> > ethnic group to dominate. .
> > Vikki
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Jean,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay use another word for "living together peacefully" if you don't
> like
> > > the connotes of "integrated."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I didn't mean "homogenized." Our town has lots of public housing
> subsidized
> > > by social service agencies for which tenants pay minimal rent (and yes,
> get
> > > minimal services), as well as affordable working-class housing rented
> our
> > > mortgaged, lower middle-class housing and upper middle-class housing.
> Our
> > > crime rate is the lowest of the five boroughs of NYC, and our services
> to
> > > the elderly and disabled are first-class: food deliveries, in-home
> hospice
> > > care, visiting nurses and doctors, free transporation, etc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, the American class system is at work here as elsewhere; it's not
> > > Paradise. We like the rest of America lack universal health care (come
> on
> > > Mr. O!). We don't have ghettoes; classes and races live on the same
> blocks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Diana
> > > >
> > > > Integrated? Are you serious? Do you really see integration as a
> virtue
> > > because I dont. Not for Whitey anyway.
> > > > I live in a place called Barry in South Wales, not the Baltimore of
> > > popular imagination. Sounds to me like your idea of integration is
> people
> > > who mall together or chat in the bookstore.
> > > > Barry people are integrated alright. They are a bunch of fucking
> rednecks
> > > with an open minded view of the world about one nanometer across.
> > > > Welcome to Noniggersville. You know this is a seabord and tightly
> knit in
> > > that all these fucking morons all know each other. But Marthas fucking
> > > Vineyard it aint.
> > > > What Im saying is that there is a downside to integration. You will
> find
> > > that integration is a specialism of poor people whch is what is
> happening
> > > here. You wont find any fucking Laura Ashley shit here. Plenty of fat
> bully
> > > girls though confident in their shared values of bad body image and
> anyone
> > > who doesnt come from here can go and fuck themselves.
> > > > These kind of people go abroad for their miserable dissipated drunken
> > > holidays and come back pleased with having fucked over some foreigners.
> > > > Barry should be transported to Nevada and fucking vitrified in a new
> test
> > > programme funded by the Welsh Assembly.
> > > > Thats what I think of integration. Im in a bad mood this morning.
> Nobody
> > > fuck with me.
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 30/6/09, Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: authentic music/appropriation
> > > > To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 4:18 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Diana
> > > > What do you mean by integrated?
> > > > The melting pot idea?
> > > > Please clarify.
> > > > Vikki
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Diana Manister <
> dmanister-AT-hotmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't believe any community is more integrated than the North
> Shore
> > > of
> > > > > Staten Island where I live, including the towns of New Brighton,
> West
> > > > > Brighton, Port Richmond, Tompkinsville and Stapleton. I'll put
> these up
> > > > > against any five towns anywhere on that score.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Diana
> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:16:29 +0930
> > > > > > Subject: Re: authentic music/appropriation
> > > > > > From: riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com
> > > > > > To: situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the website for where you live Chris it states that Pleasant
> Hill
> > > CA
> > > > > is
> > > > > > 68.5% white. It does list the other demographics in their pitiful
> > > > > numbers. I
> > > > > > notice their are no Indians or Afghanis on the list. Must make
> eating
> > > out
> > > > > > boring over there.
> > > > > > Where I live - hey I hate to be an ambassador but its a kind of
> > > utopia I
> > > > > > think. If I drive 2 hours east from town I'm in 99% blackfella
> land.
> > > > > Where
> > > > > > they call European people "pink" , how accurate.
> > > > > > My initial point was about non-aboriginal people foolishly
> playing an
> > > > > > aboriginal instrument and claiming they are a bona fide player.
> > > > > > Its all spiralled out of control by your ignorance about this
> whole
> > > > > subject.
> > > > > > Why can't you concede other people may know about this subject?
> > > > > > Your average Joe in Australia knows all this stuff about who can
> and
> > > > > can't
> > > > > > perform aboriginal culture.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vikki
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Christopher Gray <
> > > rasputin-AT-teleport.com
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > And "whitey" isn't a racist term like "blackie" or "nigger"?
> It's a
> > > > > > > euphemism for "honkie".
> > > > > > > What's with the hate of any member of our one race, including
> > > "whitey".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It may interest you to know that many "black" Polynesians (a
> > > > > geographical
> > > > > > > area) are "Caucasoid" (an anthropological "sub-race" term).
> > > > > > > Michael Jackson was near-"white" and was still considered
> "Negroid"
> > > > > > > (another anthropological"sub-race" term).
> > > > > > > U.S. government idiots labeled a "race" as a choice between
> > > elements of
> > > > > > > disparate sets, "Asian" (i.e., geographical set), "white" (a
> color
> > > that
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > be from most anywhere), "African-American" (some fuzzy
> combination
> > > of
> > > > > three
> > > > > > > continents), Native American (based on a period of time
> preceding
> > > the
> > > > > > > African, Asian, South American, and European immigrations),
> > > Vietnamese
> > > > > (a
> > > > > > > nation-state).
> > > > > > > The absurdity of classifications exposes that no one cares who
> you
> > > are
> > > > > just
> > > > > > > as long as an agenda based in quantification makes a usable
> object
> > > out
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > you, as if for some politicians' lie demographic....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Most "pop" music doesn't come from this hated "whitey" anyway..
> > > > > > > Just read "Billboard" and the sales tallies for the last 35
> years.
> > > > > > > Motown was as "pop" as it gets, just as is "elevator jazz" and
> is
> > > > > > > "hip-hop".
> > > > > > > I liked Motown and hated "boy bands".
> > > > > > > Am I "white", "black", or a demographic for both the Brill
> Building
> > > > > "hit"
> > > > > > > factory, payola of colorless capital and its post-leather
> "sweet
> > > > > nothings",
> > > > > > > or what?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I worked as a DJ, in a record store (7 years), and played in
> > > several
> > > > > bands
> > > > > > > (from age 12-17).
> > > > > > > Musical history, from what I experienced and from what I
> learned
> > > from
> > > > > > > others still in the field (Barry Melton, Ike Willis, Jon
> Koonce,
> > > The
> > > > > > > X-Angels, Jeff Lorber, Stan Ridgway, and many more): everyone
> > > playing
> > > > > it got
> > > > > > > screwed, everyone listening got screwed, and everyone paying to
> > > hear it
> > > > > got
> > > > > > > screwed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A few interesting books for general reference (one on the forms
> > > coming
> > > > > > > classical and avant-garde, mainly from Europe; one covering
> rock
> > > and
> > > > > pop).
> > > > > > > There's plenty more. I'd appreciate any recommendations,
> especially
> > > > > dealing
> > > > > > > with the varieties of tonality, scales, etc. from other parts
> of
> > > the
> > > > > world.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here's two:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Twentieth-Century Music: An Introduction - by Eric Salzman
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Offering complete, accurate coverage in a tightly condensed,
> > > simple
> > > > > > > format, this comprehensive exploration of modern music (to
> 1998)
> > > deals
> > > > > > > primarily with the music itself and musical ideas. It puts the
> > > whole
> > > > > century
> > > > > > > in a unified concept, helping readers make sense out of the
> > > > > heterogeneity.
> > > > > > > It explains the overall development of 20th century music in
> > > relation
> > > > > to the
> > > > > > > past and to two big cycles of contemporary music; and
> encompasses
> > > > > classical
> > > > > > > and experimental traditions as well as popular elements, media,
> > > > > multi-media,
> > > > > > > and theater. Twentieth-Century Music and the Past. THE
> BREAKDOWN OF
> > > > > > > TRADITIONAL TONALITY. The Sources. The Revolution: Paris and
> > > Vienna.
> > > > > THE NEW
> > > > > > > TONALITIES. Stravinsky and Neo-Classicism. Neo-Classicism and
> > > > > Neo-Tonality
> > > > > > > in France and Outside of France. National Styles. Musical
> Theater.
> > > > > ATONALITY
> > > > > > > AND TWELVE-TONE MUSIC. The Viennese School. The Diffusion of
> > > > > Twelve-Tone
> > > > > > > Music. THE AVANT GARDE. Before World War II. Technological
> Culture
> > > and
> > > > > > > Electronic Music. Ultra-Rationality and Serialism.
> Anti-Rationality
> > > and
> > > > > > > Aleatory. The New Performed Music: The United States.
> > > Post-Serialism:
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > New Performance Practice in Europe. POST-MODERNISM. Beyond
> Modern
> > > > > Music.
> > > > > > > Back to Tonality. Pop as Culture. Media and Theater. Music
> > > Examples.
> > > > > For
> > > > > > > courses anyone interested in 20th Century Music, Modern Music,
> or
> > > the
> > > > > > > History of Music. "
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rock and the Pop Narcotic - by Joe Carducci
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> www.amazon.com/Rock-Pop-Narcotic-Joe-Carducci/dp/188098511X/ref=sr_1_146251484&sr=1-1
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Three reviews:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Joe Carducci is best known for playing a crucial role in the
> > > running
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > SST records, probably the most important US independent record
> > > label
> > > > > > > (certainly of the past 30 years), in the early 80's. The
> principal
> > > > > selling
> > > > > > > point for me was the long-overdue acknowledgement of the bands
> on
> > > the
> > > > > label,
> > > > > > > who were breaking new ground in rock music while the
> Euro-fixated
> > > rock
> > > > > press
> > > > > > > was asleep at the wheel covering bands and artists who were
> > > completely
> > > > > > > irrelevant to the form. Rock journalism is delivered a sound,
> much
> > > > > deserved
> > > > > > > beating from Carducci, and I treasured every minute of it. It's
> an
> > > > > > > indescribable breath of fresh air to hear a view contrary to
> its
> > > > > de-regeuer
> > > > > > > leftist utopianism, phobia of physical music, and projection of
> > > > > > > university-fostered social schemes onto rock music. His
> contrasting
> > > of
> > > > > > > "rock" vs. "pop" music is central to his aesthetic, and while
> I'll
> > > > > never
> > > > > > > understand his appreciation of certain bands, this is one of
> the
> > > best
> > > > > books
> > > > > > > on rock you'll read."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "This book is impressive, and not only for the deep knowledge
> of
> > > rock
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > Carducci displays. The opening chapters describing what the
> "real"
> > > > > sounds of
> > > > > > > rock are should be required reading for anyone interested in
> > > forming a
> > > > > band.
> > > > > > > The scope of this book is unrivalled and the selections for the
> > > most
> > > > > > > influential bands will raise more than a few eyebrows (No where
> > > else
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > you see James "Blood" Ulmer mentioned in the same vein as
> Sabbath).
> > > > > Carducci
> > > > > > > rightly praises the "Black" bands (Sabbath and Flag) as the
> most
> > > > > influential
> > > > > > > in their respective genre's, but it may come as a surprise to
> many
> > > that
> > > > > > > Carducci attributes (perhaps correctly) the original "wall of
> > > sound"
> > > > > > > approach to Eddie Cochrane. While this book doesn't cover heavy
> > > metal
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > it's sub-genres very completely (see Ian Christe's Sound of the
> > > Beast
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > that), it wasn't meant to (see Title). In addition, this is one
> of
> > > the
> > > > > few
> > > > > > > books that credits (rightly) the Ramones for their widespread
> > > influence
> > > > > > > (early Black Flag and the Misfits to name two of the most
> > > well-known).
> > > > > In
> > > > > > > addition to the depth of knowledge displayed, Carducci will
> have
> > > you
> > > > > rolling
> > > > > > > in laughter more than once. If all the above is not enough, the
> > > > > appendices
> > > > > > > with original poster art and one of the funniest Ray Pettibon
> > > paintings
> > > > > > > (Give me librium or give me meth....) are worth the price of
> the
> > > book
> > > > > alone.
> > > > > > > Buy it and then buy some essential music!"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Simply put: this is the best and most thoroughly under-rated
> book
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > subject of rock music. Carducci knows his subject inside out
> and
> > > gives
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > belated due to many greats of the '70s and '80s (Pere Ubu,
> Black
> > > Flag,
> > > > > > > Ramones, Minutemen, Saccharine Trust, Birthday Party, etc.), as
> > > well as
> > > > > > > correcting so many of the falsities propogated by the leftist
> music
> > > > > media of
> > > > > > > the last 30-40 years. The basic contention is that
> "unfashionable"
> > > > > forms of
> > > > > > > ROCK MUSIC (surf, greaser, punk, heavy metal) have never been
> given
> > > > > their
> > > > > > > credit due to the class snobbery of the rock-crit elite who
> favour
> > > the
> > > > > > > liberal, do-gooding sounds of pop simps U2, Sting, etc. and
> because
> > > > > "real"
> > > > > > > rock doesn't have the marketability of the pop stars that
> imitate
> > > it.
> > > > > > > There's no way you'll agree with everything Carducci has to
> say,
> > > but
> > > > > it's
> > > > > > > certainly the only rock'n'roll book that's ever made me really
> > > THINK."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I suggest:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Jun 28, 2009, at 7:23 PM, Vikki Riley wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Totally irrelevant comparison Laurie.
> > > > > > >> Where's the aboriginal song here that whitey is singing?
> > > > > > >> We are not talking pop music
> > > > > > >> Vikki
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 2:53 AM, Laurie Colson <
> > > > > lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com
> > > > > > >> >wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> When Elvis came out, some felt he climbed upon the backs of
> black
> > > > > > >>> artists.
> > > > > > >>> Consider the tale of Hound Dog. Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller
> > > were
> > > > > Jewish
> > > > > > >>> boys from the east coast who fell in love with black music.
> > > Hustling
> > > > > in
> > > > > > >>> L.A.
> > > > > > >>> in the early fifities, they wrote 'Hound Dog' and gave it to
> > > Johnny
> > > > > Otis
> > > > > > >>> a
> > > > > > >>> ruling R&B bandleader who was actually a dark skinned white
> man
> > > from
> > > > > > >>> Berkely
> > > > > > >>> who many thought was black. Otis gave the song to Mama
> Thornton,
> > > who
> > > > > made
> > > > > > >>> it
> > > > > > >>> a number on hit in 53, Otis also took part of the composers
> > > credit,
> > > > > > >>> Leiber
> > > > > > >>> and Stoller fought to get it back. Elvis heard the record,
> > > changed it
> > > > > > >>> completely, and cut Thornton's version to threads.
> > > > > > >>> Whites wrote it, a white made it a hit, Yet there is no
> denying
> > > Hound
> > > > > Dog
> > > > > > >>> is a black song, unthinkable outside the impulses of black
> music,
> > > and
> > > > > > >>> probably a piece of jukejoint fury dating before any of these
> > > people
> > > > > were
> > > > > > >>> alive. This was Elvis's music because he made it his own.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> ----- Original Message ----
> > > > > > >>> From: Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com>
> > > > > > >>> To: Situationist <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > > > > >>> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:09:38 AM
> > > > > > >>> Subject: Re: Kundalini,Orgone,Chi,Christ,Tesla
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Chris
> > > > > > >>> Well I knew you were going to get tetchy about my comments re
> > > > > aboriginal
> > > > > > >>> music!
> > > > > > >>> What is wrong with authenticity I wonder and what excuse does
> the
> > > > > > >>> non-aboriginal have for claiming aboriginality?
> > > > > > >>> None.
> > > > > > >>> Colonialism and the conquering of indigenous peoples has seen
> > > land,
> > > > > > >>> language
> > > > > > >>> and culture destroyed and co-opted.
> > > > > > >>> I read your essays Chris about the expoloitation of people by
> > > > > > >>> Imperialist,
> > > > > > >>> Marxist and Fascist entities/States and am very suprised that
> > > when we
> > > > > > >>> have
> > > > > > >>> an example of this,
> > > > > > >>> you are up in arms. No this guy pklaying trance-fusion music
> by
> > > using
> > > > > a
> > > > > > >>> didgeridoo( possibly a commercially made one from Asia in
> fact)
> > > is
> > > > > NOT
> > > > > > >>> practising aboriginal music.
> > > > > > >>> The didgeridoo is used in ceremony, played by certain men or
> > > boys.
> > > > > There
> > > > > > >>> are
> > > > > > >>> various ceremonies, involving men's business or dance
> ceremonies
> > > > > where
> > > > > > >>> the
> > > > > > >>> instrument is
> > > > > > >>> leads in the dancers. Good players mimic sounds - nature,
> animals
> > > -
> > > > > > >>> unlike
> > > > > > >>> clapsticks the dideridoo is not a rhythm maker.
> > > > > > >>> Sadly those who pick it up and use it in a "world music"
> setting
> > > end
> > > > > up
> > > > > > >>> sounding like kazoos or worse, as many aboriginal people
> joke, a
> > > > > white
> > > > > > >>> man
> > > > > > >>> farting.
> > > > > > >>> I would say ditto to the Celtic music in a sense. Irish music
> has
> > > a
> > > > > > >>> particular root and birthplace at the crossroads of Moroccan
> and
> > > > > Spanish
> > > > > > >>> medieval music that only comes from geographical history.
> > > > > > >>> The Scotsman pipes are a bit removed from that.
> > > > > > >>> No I do not delight in distorting anything Chris.
> > > > > > >>> Just defending those whose culture has been commodified,
> > > sanitised
> > > > > and
> > > > > > >>> misrepresented.In the interests of money/self promotion.
> > > > > > >>> The whole time I have been on this list I have received
> deriding
> > > > > stupid
> > > > > > >>> and
> > > > > > >>> ignorant comments about my country of origin.
> > > > > > >>> I've been accused of being silent.
> > > > > > >>> I'm in a different time zone from all of you!!!
> > > > > > >>> I sent Kathy a good didgeridu player to look at in the hope
> she
> > > will
> > > > > take
> > > > > > >>> interest.
> > > > > > >>> I can send more. Its called generosity of knowledge that I
> > > presumed
> > > > > this
> > > > > > >>> list was about.
> > > > > > >>> Never mind that I am a published writer on music and do have
> a
> > > degree
> > > > > of
> > > > > > >>> expertise. I've never taken the piss out of your knowledge.
> > > > > > >>> Vikki
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Christopher Gray <
> > > > > > >>> rasputin-AT-teleport.com
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> I see. Again, unless a Celt is playing Celtic music, it's NOT
> > > > > Celtic?!
> > > > > > >>>> Unless an Aborigine is playing Aboriginal music it isn't
> > > Aboriginal?
> > > > > > >>>> Unless a women is singing a song written by a woman it can't
> > > have
> > > > > any
> > > > > > >>>> meaning?
> > > > > > >>>> Unless Bill Monroe is playing one of his own songs, it isn't
> > > > > bluegrass?
> > > > > > >>>> What utter non-sense!
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> You delight in distorting, misquoting, and deriving delusive
> > > > > conclusions
> > > > > > >>>> about everything anybody says, but cannot go back in time to
> > > delete
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >>>> message where your misrepresentation begins.
> > > > > > >>>> I never said that Kinder was anything. I said he played it!
> > > > > > >>>> How much more fucking simple does it have to get?
> > > > > > >>>> Is this mindless deconstruction of languages' semantics
> going
> > > after
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>> syntax
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> next, and then its very lexicality, escorting a
> complementary
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>> dumbification
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> into the social brain (as brain disease), only to be
> satisfied
> > > when
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>> grunts
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> and clicks between collared drooling boneheads is all that's
> > > left?
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Efforts on this list have that project well on its way,
> complete
> > > > > with
> > > > > > >>>> organic re-subhuman prototyping....
> > > > > > >>>> It's really irritating and not interesting at all.
> > > > > > >>>> And attractive? Hardly.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> chris
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> On Jun 24, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Vikki Riley wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Chris
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Stephen Kent is from San Fran. He's not aboriginal.
> > > > > > >>>>> No credibility whatsover so Kathy's tastes are quite
> KMartish .
> > > > > > >>>>> Yidaki players are taught by elders at the age of 5
> usually.
> > > Very
> > > > > few
> > > > > > >>>>> white
> > > > > > >>>>> people are priveleged to be brought up by traditional
> > > aboriginal
> > > > > > >>>>> musicians.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Vikki
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Christopher Gray <
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>> rasputin-AT-teleport.com
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> What?!
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Quite the imagination.
> > > > > > >>>>>> Pass a name around the circle and when it comes back you
> don't
> > > > > even
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> know
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> the person that everyone else has re-created. It's an
> > > interesting
> > > > > > >>>>>> game....
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> She likes music from all over the world, especially, I've
> > > noticed,
> > > > > > >>>>>> Scottish-Indian fusion (Enya), heavy surf (Dick Dale, Gary
> > > Hoey),
> > > > > > >>>>>> classical
> > > > > > >>>>>> Indian instrumental, psychedelic surf (The Mermen, Polo
> del
> > > Mar) ,
> > > > > > >>>>>> electronica (Tangerine Dream), "spaghetti" western music
> > > > > (including
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Wall
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > > >>>>>> Voodoo), Asian fusion, violin rock-fusion (Jean-Luc Ponty,
> > > Jerry
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Goodman,
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Steve Kindler, Scarlet Rivera), Aboriginal (Stephen Kent,
> Steve
> > > > > Roch),
> > > > > > >>>>>> "acid" trance, Celtic (Enya), Indian (Rasa, Shankar),
> > > > > Andes-American
> > > > > > >>>>>> (Cusco), etc. Most of it wouldn't work in a strip bar. She
> > > does
> > > > > have
> > > > > > >>>>>> some
> > > > > > >>>>>> "Grind" music and "lounge" sound. So, she is appreciative
> of
> > > many
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> musical
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> roots, as am I; her son was a keyboard composer and her
> daughter
> > > > > plays
> > > > > > >>>>>> and
> > > > > > >>>>>> teaches jazz bass in Oakland-Berkeley.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> She can dance all over the place while I occasionally join
> in.
> > > > > Music
> > > > > > >>>>>> is
> > > > > > >>>>>> dead here: no clubs but for headbash-metal or
> polyester-disco
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> hangovers.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> I
> > > > > > >>>>>> have yet to get anyone but Kathy to see The Tubes or Stan
> > > Ridgway
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> (first
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> lead singer for Wall of Voodoo); she'll go, but others in
> the
> > > area
> > > > > are
> > > > > > >>>>>> lost
> > > > > > >>>>>> in the drone of [c]rap and p[l]op or commercial jingles.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Since she quit the list long ago, and is not wishing for
> > > abstract
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> attacks
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> on her to be passive-aggressively used against me, she asked
> > > that
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> anyone
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> finding her "Black Box" Self-introduction (listed below)
> > > > > interesting,
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> please feel free to contact her directly via her email at <
> > > > > > >>>>>> kathykundalini-AT-committee-for-transcendence.org>:
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> =========================> > > > > > >>>>>> My name is Kathy. I am here to (hopefully, perhaps, maybe)
> > > engage
> > > > > with
> > > > > > >>>>>> others in the creation of a path and practice aimed
> towards a
> > > > > > >>>>>> personal/collective transformation and liberation. For me,
> > > such a
> > > > > path
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> is
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> a
> > > > > > >>>>>> deeply personal project, as well as, a social/historical
> and
> > > > > global
> > > > > > >>>>>> project.
> > > > > > >>>>>> I do not have a party-line or recipe to apply. Rather, I
> wish
> > > to
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> develop
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> thoughtful, playful, "subversive," open-ended, and
> experimental
> > > > > > >>>>>> activities
> > > > > > >>>>>> of "political" engagement. But, perhaps more importantly,
> I
> > > also
> > > > > wish
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> create an ongoing, exploratory practice of transformation of
> our
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> current
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> forms of consciousness, of our personal sense of who, and
> what,
> > > we
> > > > > > >>>>>> are.
> > > > > > >>>>>> For
> > > > > > >>>>>> me, practice is not only about what we "do to others" --
> but
> > > also
> > > > > what
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> we
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> do
> > > > > > >>>>>> to ourselves. I feel my personal path of awakening and
> radical
> > > > > > >>>>>> transformation is really just beginning, not an
> accomplished
> > > fact
> > > > > at
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> all.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> I
> > > > > > >>>>>> am not talking only about knowledge-acquisition or
> learning
> > > more
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> theory,
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> but
> > > > > > >>>>>> I am not excluding these either. I am referring to the
> > > > > experiential
> > > > > > >>>>>> quality
> > > > > > >>>>>> of our lives, of our self-understanding of "who we are,"
> and
> > > what
> > > > > this
> > > > > > >>>>>> life-world might be, as in, this planet, this universe,
> these
> > > > > living
> > > > > > >>>>>> organisms that we are, these conscious experiences that we
> > > seem to
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> have.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Who
> > > > > > >>>>>> am I? Who are you? What do I see when I look into your
> eyes?
> > > How
> > > > > do I
> > > > > > >>>>>> have
> > > > > > >>>>>> these experiences? How is it I find myself here and now --
> > > with
> > > > > you?
> > > > > > >>>>>> It
> > > > > > >>>>>> is
> > > > > > >>>>>> about awakening and more awakening, and finding ways to
> > > express
> > > > > our
> > > > > > >>>>>> awakening, and also of becoming more compassionate,
> mindful,
> > > > > > >>>>>> conscious,
> > > > > > >>>>>> present-to-our-lives. I guess I am talking about some kind
> of
> > > > > > >>>>>> "enlightenment," a shared enlightenment, a collective
> > > > > transcendence.
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> All
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > > >>>>>> us, together.
> > > > > > >>>>>> I have a general critique of world capitalism, and, for
> all of
> > > my
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> adult
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> life, I have been either actively attempting to promote a
> world
> > > > > > >>>>>> revolution,
> > > > > > >>>>>> or silently awaiting such a global movement to appear. But
> my
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> attraction
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>> such ideas and practices has not come from a sense of
> > > > > other-oriented
> > > > > > >>>>>> duty,
> > > > > > >>>>>> but rather because these modes of thinking and acting were
> > > > > inherently
> > > > > > >>>>>> interesting, engaging, seductive, challenging. Radical
> > > > > consciousness
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> has
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> its
> > > > > > >>>>>> own rewards, as it speaks to who we are and who we want to
> be.
> > > My
> > > > > > >>>>>> interests
> > > > > > >>>>>> range beyond what is "traditionally" seen as "political"
> or
> > > > > "Marxist."
> > > > > > >>>>>> Yes,
> > > > > > >>>>>> I am drawn toward understanding history, radical social
> > > movements,
> > > > > > >>>>>> general
> > > > > > >>>>>> critiques of capitalist society, alienated labor, the
> > > commodity
> > > > > form,
> > > > > > >>>>>> class
> > > > > > >>>>>> societies, etc. But I am also very much interested in
> other
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> philosophies
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> and
> > > > > > >>>>>> viewpoints, like those of existentialism, phenomenology,
> > > > > "primitive"
> > > > > > >>>>>> societies, "New Age" thinking, etc., and I am also very
> > > involved
> > > > > in
> > > > > > >>>>>> "Eastern" thought, such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Vedanta,
> Yoga,
> > > > > Tantra,
> > > > > > >>>>>> etc. I
> > > > > > >>>>>> have found, in particular, that these "Eastern" approaches
> > > have
> > > > > potent
> > > > > > >>>>>> techniques that can assist one who sees herself on a
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> self-transformative
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> path -- techniques such as meditation, yoga, ecstatic dance,
> > > > > chanting,
> > > > > > >>>>>> breathing, compassion-in-action, existential questioning,
> > > > > integration
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> of
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> body/mind, consciousness transformation, etc. But, as I
> said, I
> > > also
> > > > > > >>>>>> remain
> > > > > > >>>>>> "political." I have yet to integrate all these various
> strands
> > > of
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> thought
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> and practice, stretching from Marxist critique to Buddhist
> > > breathing
> > > > > > >>>>>> meditation, etc., into a "coherent" viewpoint, except as
> they
> > > all
> > > > > > >>>>>> intersect
> > > > > > >>>>>> in me. But whatever trend of thought I find myself
> exploring,
> > > I
> > > > > try to
> > > > > > >>>>>> allow
> > > > > > >>>>>> the ideas to sink into me, and to alter me in some way --
> as
> > > in,
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >>>>>> change
> > > > > > >>>>>> my experience and my orientation toward life. Practice is
> the
> > > key
> > > > > --
> > > > > > >>>>>> though
> > > > > > >>>>>> personally I cannot put myself on any kind of pedestal in
> that
> > > > > regard,
> > > > > > >>>>>> politically or spiritually.
> > > > > > >>>>>> So my endeavor is not to substitute the purely personal
> for
> > > the
> > > > > > >>>>>> political
> > > > > > >>>>>> -- but rather, to develop a practice that aims for the
> > > mutually
> > > > > > >>>>>> integrative
> > > > > > >>>>>> transcendence of both. Yes, I want to participate in a
> global
> > > > > movement
> > > > > > >>>>>> that
> > > > > > >>>>>> might take us all beyond the constrictions of our current
> > > daily
> > > > > lives,
> > > > > > >>>>>> and
> > > > > > >>>>>> beyond the ever-threatening crisis of world capitalism.
> But I
> > > am
> > > > > also
> > > > > > >>>>>> a
> > > > > > >>>>>> human consciousness, living all the mystery that this
> > > involves. I
> > > > > am
> > > > > > >>>>>> aware
> > > > > > >>>>>> of my own existence, though I do not understand it, and
> cannot
> > > > > explain
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> it
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> at
> > > > > > >>>>>> all. But this is my life, I am living it now. I want to
> awaken
> > > > > more
> > > > > > >>>>>> and
> > > > > > >>>>>> more
> > > > > > >>>>>> to what this might "mean," and to awaken to what my
> > > possibilities
> > > > > are,
> > > > > > >>>>>> right
> > > > > > >>>>>> now, in this moment. So I am not only a historical being,
> but
> > > also
> > > > > an
> > > > > > >>>>>> existential/spiritual being, searching for transcendence..
> It
> > > is a
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> matter
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > > >>>>>> simultaneously locating myself, with others, on this
> > > > > social-historical
> > > > > > >>>>>> dimension, while also creating the forms of
> self-reflective
> > > > > expression
> > > > > > >>>>>> for
> > > > > > >>>>>> what we feel "inside" -- to explore, embody, and express
> > > certain
> > > > > > >>>>>> potentials
> > > > > > >>>>>> -- and also to create the path to the "other side of this
> > > life" --
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >>>>>> path
> > > > > > >>>>>> toward that which calls from just beyond the horizon of
> > > > > consciousness,
> > > > > > >>>>>> beyond these constricting social forms, beyond what we
> have
> > > been
> > > > > told
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> it
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> means to be a person in this society.
> > > > > > >>>>>> So then, the question becomes, how does my path intersect
> with
> > > > > others?
> > > > > > >>>>>> With yours? What can we do individually and collectively
> to
> > > > > > >>>>>> self-understand,
> > > > > > >>>>>> self-create, self-transform? How do we mutually provoke,
> > > enliven,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > >>>>>> express our need for transcendence? How to do this amidst
> this
> > > > > > >>>>>> overwhelming
> > > > > > >>>>>> and omnipresent capitalist society? How to engage in
> > > > > > >>>>>> social/personal/transformative practice -- effectively?
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> So this is a little of me. And so, now, who are you? Who
> would
> > > you
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> like
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> to be? What would you like to do? What can we do together?
> What
> > > game
> > > > > > >>>>>> do
> > > > > > >>>>>> you
> > > > > > >>>>>> want to play today?
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Namaste (I bow to you)
> > > > > > >>>>>> Kathy
> > > > > > >>>>>> =========================> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> best wishes,
> > > > > > >>>>>> chris
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> On Jun 23, 2009, at 8:37 PM, Vikki Riley wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Hey Laurie
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Well I've been to San Fran and smelt the err petrol fumes
> err
> > > I
> > > > > mean
> > > > > > >>>>>>> organic
> > > > > > >>>>>>> garden aromas competing with latino noise and coke
> > > > > addicts.....Wish
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> I'd
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> met
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Kathy Kundalini I guess if she was in the Mission she'd
> be a
> > > > > stripper
> > > > > > >>>>>>> gyrating to alt rock no doubt..
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Laurie Colson <
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> I don't think Buddha is New Age, it's No Age, but I was
> > > saying
> > > > > that I
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> have
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> known many New Agers that embrace Buddhist principles;
> while
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> belittling
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Christian ones. If I had a Phd. from Berkley--well I know
> it's
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> different
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> out
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> there but I would put my real name in front of it. I
> > > inferred a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> NewAge
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> and
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Orgone reference in the psuedonym, Kundalini. I could
> not
> > > help
> > > > > but
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> do
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> so.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> You live in San Fran, and have a garden, fruit and nut
> > > orchard?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> You receive Social Security, but are waiting till it is
> cut
> > > off
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> exit
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> dependency matrix? Callling me procapitalist? I don't
> have
> > > > > capital
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> like
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> I
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> don't have equity or own anything over a couple hundred
> > > bucks,
> > > > > for
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> real.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> I
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> receive social security also, and as told you my
> daughter
> > > who
> > > > > lives
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> with
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> me
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> is taxpaying U.S.M.C. (I know, women usually have more
> > > empathy
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> regarding
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> humans. She's only twenty. Empathy as exhibited in
> passage
> > > from
> > > > > you
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> another human ""The One" is such an asshole liar, always
> seeking
> > > the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> attention that people defending themselves or views
> brings
> > > back
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> IT,
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> liar.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> IT ought to try inserting ITS manhood up ITS own ass;
> it's
> > > as
> > > > > close
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> love
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> as IT'll probably get, although I'm certain limp rape.
> But
> > > then,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> IT'll
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> never
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> call ITself the next day, and the world of IT-top and
> > > IT-bottom,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> eternally
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> dualistic, will be all who "care", if IT possesses even
> that
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> quality."
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> I am "insensitive/ignorant visionless capitalist fascist." I
> am
> > > not
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> guilty of ad-hominum attacks, at least. What's wrong
> with
> > > Star
> > > > > Wars?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> George
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Lucas is a visionary. So there. Are you saying lastly
> that
> > > > > taking a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> shit
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> is
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> a procapitalistfascist movement? A good bowel movement
> is a
> > > sign
> > > > > of
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> robust
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> health.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> ________________________________
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> From: Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> To: Situationist <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Cc: Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 2:00:06 AM
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kundalini,Orgone,Chi,Christ,Tesla
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> sadly, the Visionless One cannot comprehend that some
> people
> > > use
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> pseudonyms
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> and aliases. In fact, ALL email uses aliasing to even
> work
> > > at
> > > > > all.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Some
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> people use anonymous servers. Others like to keep some
> privacy
> > > so
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> they
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> get
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Yahoo, MSN/Hotmail, or Google/gmail email addresses.
> It's a
> > > > > security
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> measure
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> as well. But then, when you cannot see a need for
> security 1
> > > > > inch in
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> front
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> of your nose, well... perhaps the sense as well as the
> fun
> > > both
> > > > > get
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> missed.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Kathy went on to get a library sciences masters degree
> and
> > > used
> > > > > it
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> get
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> job at the SF Chronicle for nearly 24 years before the
> > > another
> > > > > SFC
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> demise-pending layoff of recent. Since we combine for
> less
> > > than
> > > > > 1/2
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> of
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> what
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> either of use used to get, we are spending much time
> > > gardening
> > > > > food
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> so
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> we
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> can save money and store food, carrying bath/shower
> water to
> > > the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> rain
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> barrel
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> or directly to the garden fruits/nut trees, etc.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> When her unemployment runs out or when my Social
> Security is
> > > cut
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> off,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> we
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> will lose the house and be on the street. For now, we
> are
> > > trying
> > > > > as
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> cheaply
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> as we can to get off the matrix of dependency so that we
> > > have no
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> food
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> or
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> utility bills, only a mortgage (bank as the landlord)
> > > payment.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Buddhism is not New Age. That kind of snide disregard
> for
> > > how a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> greter
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> portion of the world sees reality is expected and typically
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> insensitive/ignorant.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> I appreciate your undeterred interest. Women usually
> have
> > > more
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> empathy
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> regarding humans. Cranking out idiots high on Doom, Star
> Wars,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Extreme
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Cage
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Fighting, and aggressive cynicism is why there is no
> > > movement
> > > > > today
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> worth
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> a
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> shit, except for that movement itself, which is
> > > proto-fascist
> > > > > and
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> pro-capitalist.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Send Kathy an email. She'd enjoy your views and
> comments....
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> best,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> chris
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Jun 22, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Laurie Colson wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Baltimore? have you ever seen Pink Flamingos by John
> Waters?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> According
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Chris Grey Kathy Kundalini is from Berkley, Ca, were
> she
> > > > > attended
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> university
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> in philosophy. I don't see how it is likely design
> students
> > > and
> > > > > New
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Agers
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> and Sarte deconstructors engage with History and Class
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Conciousness,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> but
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> she and others supposedly do in S.I. It's a big tent.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> ________________________________
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> From: Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> To: Situationist <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 12:54:55 AM
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kundalini,Orgone,Chi,Christ,Tesla
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Yeah right my real name is Victoria Viagra
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> What a load of New Age trash! Kathy Kundalini is
> probably
> > > some
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> tranvestite
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> from where? Baltimore no doubt
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Laurie Colson <
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> "Kathy's work includes several pieces that may be of
> use to
> > > you
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> w/r/t
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> her ability to synthesize Buddhism, Native American
> > > beliefs,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> phenomenology, Hegelian dialectics, and Situationist
> > > theory:"
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> ...slowly i turned....
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Her name is seriously Kathy Kundalini? Man, I feel
> stupid
> > > for
> > > > > not
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> putting
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> all this together sooner, Orgone IS Kundalini, Chi,
> Prana,
> > > > > Christ. I
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> just
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> haven't been thinking I guess. Reich split from Freud
> was
> > > > > because he
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> claimed
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> libido was an actual measurable force, Orgone, which
> could
> > > be
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> accumulated...
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> searching the internet, accumulators come in all
> variety,
> > > and
> > > > > price
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> range
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> addressing societal environment cancer illls. The
> romantic
> > > in me
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> thinks
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> mythology of Reich is cool, but his is a mystic and
> > > philosopher,
> > > > > not
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> an
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> engineer or phycist. His accumulator is a low powered
> Tesla
> > > > > coil,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > >
> members.dslextreme.com/users/rogermw/Reich/orgone_field_meter.html
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> He thought orgone was being messed with from flying
> saucers.
> > > > > Tesla
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> was
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> an
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> eccentric also. But an electrical engineer and physcst..
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Aside from his work on electromagnetism and
> > > electromechanical
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> engineering,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Tesla has contributed in varying degrees to the
> > > establishment of
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> robotics,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> remote control, radar and computer science, and to the
> > > expansion
> > > > > of
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> ballistics, nuclear physics,[8] and theoretical
> physics. In
> > > > > 1943,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Supreme Court of the United States credited him as being the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> inventor
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> radio.[9]
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Many of his achievements have been used, with some
> > > > > controversy, to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> support various pseudosciences, UFO theories, and
> early
> > > New
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Ageoccultism. <
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Why do New Agers shun and deny the Christ form of this
> light
> > > > > energy,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> but
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> not buddha? Or laying on of hands? how differ from
> Reichi
> > > etc.
> > > > > I've
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> always
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> said I didn't believe in anything supernatural but I
> have no
> > > way
> > > > > of
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> knowing.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> But when speaking of Reich, well, people should be more
> > > careful,
> > > > > at
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> least
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> stating the nature of his work. Maybe I should get Ms.
> > > > > Khundalini's
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> work
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> on
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dialectic No More; or a cerebral torque wrench. I mean
> this
> > > > > stuff,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> seriously. Maybe I'll go read some Allan Ginsburg, or
> > > listen to
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Tesla
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> records. Just cause I love Kate Bush's Cloudbusting doesn't
> mean
> > > I
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> should
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> have posted it in defense of Reich.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
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