From: Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail.com>
Date: 01 Jul 2009 17:54:50 UTC   (01:54:50 PM in author's locale)
To: <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>

Now Richard, you extol transparency of tools as if that is a good thing.



Propaganda depends on language becoming so transparent to the audience that it is not questioned.



For example, "extraordinary rendition" it was hoped would not be questioned. All bureaucratic blurring depends on language disappearing into implied meaning. "Bringing democracy" to Iraq is another one. And so it goes.



Diana



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> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:24:54 -0700
> From: richard_haden-AT-yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: Magrittes Pipe
> To: situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org
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> I like the fish story scene in the excerpt below. It is almost a perfect description of Heidegger's "ready to hand" ...how equipment becomes so familiar it withdraws (becomes transparent in use) as is the case with the fish disappearing from the plate...the character can't remember if he ate it or not. That happens to me with food lately, I keep forgetting where I leave the plate...my dogs count on it. They aren't versed in Heideggarian existential strategies, they are merely dogs-- just thieves like the woman with the Tartan handbag.
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> Yes, the handlers will work it out.
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> www.booksellerworld.com/lecarre-naivesentimental.htm
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> Back to the POD Cast
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> Richard Haden
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> From: JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com>
> To: Situationist <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 1:01:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Magrittes Pipe
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> Funny you should say that. Theres a little known novel by John Le Carre "The Naive and Sentimental Lover" and my handlers recommend it to your handlers
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> Psycho "They stole his mind, now he wants it back" Mantis
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> --- On Wed, 1/7/09, richard haden <richard_haden-AT-yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: richard haden <richard_haden-AT-yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Magrittes Pipe
> To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> Date: Wednesday, 1 July, 2009, 1:25 AM
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> Green which you mean pipe dream time?
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> Sounds like you need somewhere new to live. Ask your handlers to talk to my handlers about new digs.
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> Richard
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> ________________________________
> From: JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com>
> To: Situationist <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:20:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Magrittes Pipe
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> Hi Richard
> What time is it in Miami let me guess around 1830 ?
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> --- On Wed, 1/7/09, richard haden <richard_haden-AT-yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: richard haden <richard_haden-AT-yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Magrittes Pipe
> To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> Date: Wednesday, 1 July, 2009, 12:42 AM
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> Pipe dreams.
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> RH
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> From: JEAN PARR <jeanparr-AT-btinternet.com>
> To: Situationist <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:08:18 PM
> Subject: RE: Magrittes Pipe
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> Yeah? Oh really? Only this no ordinary fucking pipe, cock suckers. It is not' very definitely not any old pipe. Not the indefinite fucking article.. Any french schoolkid will tell you that this is the pipe that is in the elementary primaire reading book and has been since time began in the education world with the Code Napoleon.
> Thats the whole point about this painting, its about signifiers and everyone humming off the same hymn sheet. Its the pictorial equivalent of being an Arsenal supporter. You suffer for your art. Your game. Your language. Ironically the pipe is about language itself. Notice the definite article.
> Well at least the fucking French got something right as well as the fucking Spectacle.
> Thank you Napoleon for enabling French kids to learn to read.
> And as for Britain, its a shame the Luftwaffe didnt finish the job off properly. Tony Blair
> "education education education" Yeah? Big deal. Theres hardly any kids in this myopic fucking country can speak a foreign language.
> Its twelve hours later and Im still unglued. Must be something they put in the drinking water.
> Oh yeah and theres one more thing. Dada started in Transylvania, in Budapest not Russia
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> --- On Tue, 30/6/09, Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Mind/body dualism
> To: situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org
> Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 2:36 PM
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> Dear Richard,
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> Your distinction between language as transparent sign referring to ontic realities, and language as an ontic reality in itself describes the modernist program in a nutshell.
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> When the Russian Formalists insisted that modern art "bare the device," that is, declare the ontic reality of the medium itself in a non-referential manner, they in effect invented Dada ("This is not a pipe" as the title of a painting of a pipe"), collage, Jackson Pollock's drip paintings, Ezra Pound's cantos and Language Poetry, among other modernist styles.
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> Art that is not useful (your term) is a thing-in-itself, shapes on the page, sounds in the ear, sculpted material, paint on a canvas, that refers to nothing outside itself. Paradoxically (and of course all transcendent truth is paradoxical), Jackson Pollock's paintings stand as incontrovertible proof of the artist's total identity with the medium. Pollock, paint's viscosity affected by gravity and the arm's fulcrum are one. Consciousness is not apart watching the paint and the artist's body behave.
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> Beckett describes this momentary transcendence of the self/world dialectic in his novel Watt, when Watt and Mr. Knott (What, Not) become indistinguishable. Beckett's achievement in that novel is generally regarded as his ability to turn epistemological questions into narrative. How can we know ourselves primordially (in Zen, "What was your face before you were born?")? What is prelapsarian epistemology? Funnily enough, some characters in the novel bear the scars they got from falls.
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> What Beckett did in his novels, Pollock did in his great drip paintings.. That is, offer proof of momentary return to Eden.
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> Useful language is post-lapsarian, a tool in the world man has dominion over.
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> In describing time's simultaneity, quantum physics moves into consciousness research. When you write:
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> "At my level, it seems that what ever we experience is recorded in our mind...since it is a physical recording in real substance of mind, we can always experience that recording as though it were live. But the ability to precede representation is what we do well, or perhaps that is the wellness of living directly."
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> You put the subject in the center in a kind of Copernican view of consciousness. Quantum physics says our sense of time is a fiction created by the belief in self as an accurate measure of time. The mind sees events passing by it in temporal sequence. In actuality, events that have happened and will have happened are not different from events happening now. It's as if a wind blowing up a storm in Texas is said in Louisiana to be in the past, when in fact it's only in the past in Louisiana but still extant in Texas.
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> Events passing through your mind are chronological only in your mind. Michio Kaku says there are dinosaurs in the living room, only we can't see them!
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> Best,
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> Diana
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> > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:57:22 -0700
> > From: richard_haden-AT-yahoo.com
> > Subject: Re: Mind/body dualism
> > To: situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org
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> > Diana,
> >
> > "Wittgenstein said there is nothing left for philosophy to study but language." Yes, that may read simplistic to some. But what is language? It is certainly more than written or spoken words, or phonemes or abstract marks on a page...language is what the whole world rolls over our senses...what the outer world projects onto our sensibilities from which we form the intelligible or the the profound unintelligible...But then in the case of a art, the worlds projected language may be that of a primordial projection--that which reminds us of the difference between the thing (word or object) in its opacity as forever disclosing and remaining in itself in a constant rift of estrangement between the thing and the natural world.....we experience language prior to representation. Language also has a tremendous naming power.
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> > Of course there are many ways to look at arts usefulness. To some, art has strategies that are far more clear and more referential...ie political art and so on.
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> > QM? "Einstein's theories describe the large world and QM describes the subatomic world, they are not separate but intimately connected." I go along with that, but those theories or laws of nature found through the access or the practice of Physics...it has exposed a robust realism-- like laws of Gravity- which take place without our ability to effect them. None of that physics has to do with consciousness or our ability to take a stand on our own being--we effect that stand alongside the physics of the world. However we effect our being in that physics of ontics by being outside the limits of Aristotle's idea that we are just a necessary part of nature. For as we know, contrary to Aristotle, nature goes on with or without us.
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> > I can't see how experience is already a done deal>>>"all experience exists simultaneously"? If you are referring to multidimensional realities, or simultaneous universes that share molecular particles then perhaps there is the illusion of experience being related in multiple planes of existence...however, all that talk is over my head. At my level, it seems that what ever we experience is recorded in our mind...since it is a physical recording in real substance of mind, we can always experience that recording as though it were live. But the ability to precede representation is what we do well, or perhaps that is the wellness of living directly.
> >
> > Richard Haden
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> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail.com>
> > To: situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org
> > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 10:34:26 AM
> > Subject: RE: Mind/body dualism
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> > Richard, rigid boundaries between disciplines is so.....academic! I don't see how it is possible to think in purely scientific terms unless the thoughts are produced by AI. Human beings have a tendency to connect atomic physics with bombs dropped on schoolchildren.
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> > Much of the work of theology and philosophy has been taken over by QM for example. We now call God the Big Bang. Any philosophy still abiding by Newton's laws is a bit outré wouldn't you say?
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> > Einstein's discoveries affected every academic field, especially philosophy. Wittgenstein said there is nothing left for philosophy to study but language.
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> > Quantum physics would have been impossible without relativity. While it's true that Einstein's theories describe the large world and QM describes the subatomic world, they are not separate but intimately connected.
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> > And quantum physics has quite a lot to say about experience in time. For example, that past experience is past only in our minds; in actuality all experience exists simultaneously.
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> > How would you categorize Bergson's work with time as durée, or duration? Philosophical? He described experienced time probably better than anyone.
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> > > Diana,
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> > > But if we are thinking in purely scientific terms we navigate more in science and less in philosophy...Einstein's science has to do physics and the relative relation of matter or objects in that science of physical space than with time in that....Einstein doesn't prove that thought is relative to being in space. It is quite a claim to say that Einstein is a better philosopher than those who take up the study of being, starting with Heidegger, continuing with others like Blattner, Derrida and so on--who add more weight to experience in time.
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> > > Richard Haden
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> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail.com>
> > > To: situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 7:49:05 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Mind/body dualism
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> > > Dear Richard,
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> > > As everyone has known since Einstein said it and it was proved by empirical observation, space and time are not separate entities. To engage in those categories one must employ the taxonomical fallacy. Call it spacetime or timespace, but not space and time.
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