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RE: authentic music/appropriation/ integration for Christsake
Dear Vikki,
Yes I see where "integrated" can equal genocide. "Assimilated" seems no better a word or process.
Many thanks for the description of aboriginal people's treatment. The U.S. has a similar situation concerning Native Americans.
Diana
> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:06:26 +0930
> Subject: Re: authentic music/appropriation/ integration for Christsake
> From: riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com
> To: situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org
>
> Diana,
> I queried integrated because in Australia, immigrants don't like that kind
> of word (here we would say assimilated, it is usually mentioned by right
> wing parties here when they have been in power, eg John Howard's reign)..
> For aboriginal people, assimilation equates with genocide.Our current PM
> enacted an apology to all aboriginal people in 2008 for past practices of
> assimilation which involved removing children of colour and placing them in
> white families.
> Here in Australia now (and I'm just stating the facts) people hold dual
> nationality. Eg An Italian AND Australian passport. There is no compulsion
> to speak English and many immigrants have lived here for 50 years or more
> without learning a word of English.
> "No worries" is the only sentence they need to master. Ditto aboriginal
> people.
> English is a second language.
> We don't have gun culture (cops, bikers have em thats it) here so harmony on
> the streets is fairly easy to accomplish.We have our riots sure. But the
> fact that the majority of the population is mixed race makes it hard for one
> ethnic group to dominate. .
> Vikki
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail..com>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Dear Jean,
> >
> >
> >
> > Okay use another word for "living together peacefully" if you don't like
> > the connotes of "integrated."
> >
> >
> >
> > I didn't mean "homogenized." Our town has lots of public housing subsidized
> > by social service agencies for which tenants pay minimal rent (and yes, get
> > minimal services), as well as affordable working-class housing rented our
> > mortgaged, lower middle-class housing and upper middle-class housing. Our
> > crime rate is the lowest of the five boroughs of NYC, and our services to
> > the elderly and disabled are first-class: food deliveries, in-home hospice
> > care, visiting nurses and doctors, free transporation, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, the American class system is at work here as elsewhere; it's not
> > Paradise. We like the rest of America lack universal health care (come on
> > Mr. O!). We don't have ghettoes; classes and races live on the same blocks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Diana
> > >
> > > Integrated? Are you serious? Do you really see integration as a virtue
> > because I dont. Not for Whitey anyway.
> > > I live in a place called Barry in South Wales, not the Baltimore of
> > popular imagination. Sounds to me like your idea of integration is people
> > who mall together or chat in the bookstore.
> > > Barry people are integrated alright. They are a bunch of fucking rednecks
> > with an open minded view of the world about one nanometer across.
> > > Welcome to Noniggersville. You know this is a seabord and tightly knit in
> > that all these fucking morons all know each other. But Marthas fucking
> > Vineyard it aint.
> > > What Im saying is that there is a downside to integration. You will find
> > that integration is a specialism of poor people whch is what is happening
> > here. You wont find any fucking Laura Ashley shit here. Plenty of fat bully
> > girls though confident in their shared values of bad body image and anyone
> > who doesnt come from here can go and fuck themselves.
> > > These kind of people go abroad for their miserable dissipated drunken
> > holidays and come back pleased with having fucked over some foreigners.
> > > Barry should be transported to Nevada and fucking vitrified in a new test
> > programme funded by the Welsh Assembly.
> > > Thats what I think of integration. Im in a bad mood this morning. Nobody
> > fuck with me.
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 30/6/09, Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: authentic music/appropriation
> > > To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 4:18 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > Diana
> > > What do you mean by integrated?
> > > The melting pot idea?
> > > Please clarify.
> > > Vikki
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I can't believe any community is more integrated than the North Shore
> > of
> > > > Staten Island where I live, including the towns of New Brighton, West
> > > > Brighton, Port Richmond, Tompkinsville and Stapleton. I'll put these up
> > > > against any five towns anywhere on that score.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Diana
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:16:29 +0930
> > > > > Subject: Re: authentic music/appropriation
> > > > > From: riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com
> > > > > To: situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org
> > > > >
> > > > > On the website for where you live Chris it states that Pleasant Hill
> > CA
> > > > is
> > > > > 68.5% white. It does list the other demographics in their pitiful
> > > > numbers. I
> > > > > notice their are no Indians or Afghanis on the list. Must make eating
> > out
> > > > > boring over there.
> > > > > Where I live - hey I hate to be an ambassador but its a kind of
> > utopia I
> > > > > think. If I drive 2 hours east from town I'm in 99% blackfella land.
> > > > Where
> > > > > they call European people "pink" , how accurate.
> > > > > My initial point was about non-aboriginal people foolishly playing an
> > > > > aboriginal instrument and claiming they are a bona fide player.
> > > > > Its all spiralled out of control by your ignorance about this whole
> > > > subject.
> > > > > Why can't you concede other people may know about this subject?
> > > > > Your average Joe in Australia knows all this stuff about who can and
> > > > can't
> > > > > perform aboriginal culture.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vikki
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Christopher Gray <
> > rasputin-AT-teleport.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > And "whitey" isn't a racist term like "blackie" or "nigger"? It's a
> > > > > > euphemism for "honkie".
> > > > > > What's with the hate of any member of our one race, including
> > "whitey".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It may interest you to know that many "black" Polynesians (a
> > > > geographical
> > > > > > area) are "Caucasoid" (an anthropological "sub-race" term).
> > > > > > Michael Jackson was near-"white" and was still considered "Negroid"
> > > > > > (another anthropological"sub-race" term).
> > > > > > U.S. government idiots labeled a "race" as a choice between
> > elements of
> > > > > > disparate sets, "Asian" (i.e., geographical set), "white" (a color
> > that
> > > > can
> > > > > > be from most anywhere), "African-American" (some fuzzy combination
> > of
> > > > three
> > > > > > continents), Native American (based on a period of time preceding
> > the
> > > > > > African, Asian, South American, and European immigrations),
> > Vietnamese
> > > > (a
> > > > > > nation-state).
> > > > > > The absurdity of classifications exposes that no one cares who you
> > are
> > > > just
> > > > > > as long as an agenda based in quantification makes a usable object
> > out
> > > > of
> > > > > > you, as if for some politicians' lie demographic....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Most "pop" music doesn't come from this hated "whitey" anyway.
> > > > > > Just read "Billboard" and the sales tallies for the last 35 years.
> > > > > > Motown was as "pop" as it gets, just as is "elevator jazz" and is
> > > > > > "hip-hop".
> > > > > > I liked Motown and hated "boy bands".
> > > > > > Am I "white", "black", or a demographic for both the Brill Building
> > > > "hit"
> > > > > > factory, payola of colorless capital and its post-leather "sweet
> > > > nothings",
> > > > > > or what?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I worked as a DJ, in a record store (7 years), and played in
> > several
> > > > bands
> > > > > > (from age 12-17).
> > > > > > Musical history, from what I experienced and from what I learned
> > from
> > > > > > others still in the field (Barry Melton, Ike Willis, Jon Koonce,
> > The
> > > > > > X-Angels, Jeff Lorber, Stan Ridgway, and many more): everyone
> > playing
> > > > it got
> > > > > > screwed, everyone listening got screwed, and everyone paying to
> > hear it
> > > > got
> > > > > > screwed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A few interesting books for general reference (one on the forms
> > coming
> > > > > > classical and avant-garde, mainly from Europe; one covering rock
> > and
> > > > pop).
> > > > > > There's plenty more. I'd appreciate any recommendations, especially
> > > > dealing
> > > > > > with the varieties of tonality, scales, etc. from other parts of
> > the
> > > > world.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here's two:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Twentieth-Century Music: An Introduction - by Eric Salzman
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Offering complete, accurate coverage in a tightly condensed,
> > simple
> > > > > > format, this comprehensive exploration of modern music (to 1998)
> > deals
> > > > > > primarily with the music itself and musical ideas. It puts the
> > whole
> > > > century
> > > > > > in a unified concept, helping readers make sense out of the
> > > > heterogeneity.
> > > > > > It explains the overall development of 20th century music in
> > relation
> > > > to the
> > > > > > past and to two big cycles of contemporary music; and encompasses
> > > > classical
> > > > > > and experimental traditions as well as popular elements, media,
> > > > multi-media,
> > > > > > and theater. Twentieth-Century Music and the Past. THE BREAKDOWN OF
> > > > > > TRADITIONAL TONALITY. The Sources. The Revolution: Paris and
> > Vienna.
> > > > THE NEW
> > > > > > TONALITIES. Stravinsky and Neo-Classicism. Neo-Classicism and
> > > > Neo-Tonality
> > > > > > in France and Outside of France. National Styles. Musical Theater.
> > > > ATONALITY
> > > > > > AND TWELVE-TONE MUSIC. The Viennese School. The Diffusion of
> > > > Twelve-Tone
> > > > > > Music. THE AVANT GARDE. Before World War II. Technological Culture
> > and
> > > > > > Electronic Music. Ultra-Rationality and Serialism. Anti-Rationality
> > and
> > > > > > Aleatory. The New Performed Music: The United States.
> > Post-Serialism:
> > > > The
> > > > > > New Performance Practice in Europe. POST-MODERNISM. Beyond Modern
> > > > Music.
> > > > > > Back to Tonality. Pop as Culture. Media and Theater. Music
> > Examples.
> > > > For
> > > > > > courses anyone interested in 20th Century Music, Modern Music, or
> > the
> > > > > > History of Music. "
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rock and the Pop Narcotic - by Joe Carducci
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > www.amazon.com/Rock-Pop-Narcotic-Joe-Carducci/dp/188098511X/ref=sr_1_146251484&sr=1-1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Three reviews:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Joe Carducci is best known for playing a crucial role in the
> > running
> > > > of
> > > > > > SST records, probably the most important US independent record
> > label
> > > > > > (certainly of the past 30 years), in the early 80's. The principal
> > > > selling
> > > > > > point for me was the long-overdue acknowledgement of the bands on
> > the
> > > > label,
> > > > > > who were breaking new ground in rock music while the Euro-fixated
> > rock
> > > > press
> > > > > > was asleep at the wheel covering bands and artists who were
> > completely
> > > > > > irrelevant to the form. Rock journalism is delivered a sound, much
> > > > deserved
> > > > > > beating from Carducci, and I treasured every minute of it. It's an
> > > > > > indescribable breath of fresh air to hear a view contrary to its
> > > > de-regeuer
> > > > > > leftist utopianism, phobia of physical music, and projection of
> > > > > > university-fostered social schemes onto rock music. His contrasting
> > of
> > > > > > "rock" vs. "pop" music is central to his aesthetic, and while I'll
> > > > never
> > > > > > understand his appreciation of certain bands, this is one of the
> > best
> > > > books
> > > > > > on rock you'll read."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "This book is impressive, and not only for the deep knowledge of
> > rock
> > > > that
> > > > > > Carducci displays. The opening chapters describing what the "real"
> > > > sounds of
> > > > > > rock are should be required reading for anyone interested in
> > forming a
> > > > band.
> > > > > > The scope of this book is unrivalled and the selections for the
> > most
> > > > > > influential bands will raise more than a few eyebrows (No where
> > else
> > > > will
> > > > > > you see James "Blood" Ulmer mentioned in the same vein as Sabbath).
> > > > Carducci
> > > > > > rightly praises the "Black" bands (Sabbath and Flag) as the most
> > > > influential
> > > > > > in their respective genre's, but it may come as a surprise to many
> > that
> > > > > > Carducci attributes (perhaps correctly) the original "wall of
> > sound"
> > > > > > approach to Eddie Cochrane. While this book doesn't cover heavy
> > metal
> > > > and
> > > > > > it's sub-genres very completely (see Ian Christe's Sound of the
> > Beast
> > > > for
> > > > > > that), it wasn't meant to (see Title). In addition, this is one of
> > the
> > > > few
> > > > > > books that credits (rightly) the Ramones for their widespread
> > influence
> > > > > > (early Black Flag and the Misfits to name two of the most
> > well-known).
> > > > In
> > > > > > addition to the depth of knowledge displayed, Carducci will have
> > you
> > > > rolling
> > > > > > in laughter more than once. If all the above is not enough, the
> > > > appendices
> > > > > > with original poster art and one of the funniest Ray Pettibon
> > paintings
> > > > > > (Give me librium or give me meth....) are worth the price of the
> > book
> > > > alone.
> > > > > > Buy it and then buy some essential music!"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Simply put: this is the best and most thoroughly under-rated book
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > subject of rock music. Carducci knows his subject inside out and
> > gives
> > > > a
> > > > > > belated due to many greats of the '70s and '80s (Pere Ubu, Black
> > Flag,
> > > > > > Ramones, Minutemen, Saccharine Trust, Birthday Party, etc.), as
> > well as
> > > > > > correcting so many of the falsities propogated by the leftist music
> > > > media of
> > > > > > the last 30-40 years. The basic contention is that "unfashionable"
> > > > forms of
> > > > > > ROCK MUSIC (surf, greaser, punk, heavy metal) have never been given
> > > > their
> > > > > > credit due to the class snobbery of the rock-crit elite who favour
> > the
> > > > > > liberal, do-gooding sounds of pop simps U2, Sting, etc. and because
> > > > "real"
> > > > > > rock doesn't have the marketability of the pop stars that imitate
> > it.
> > > > > > There's no way you'll agree with everything Carducci has to say,
> > but
> > > > it's
> > > > > > certainly the only rock'n'roll book that's ever made me really
> > THINK."
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I suggest:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Jun 28, 2009, at 7:23 PM, Vikki Riley wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Totally irrelevant comparison Laurie.
> > > > > >> Where's the aboriginal song here that whitey is singing?
> > > > > >> We are not talking pop music
> > > > > >> Vikki
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 2:53 AM, Laurie Colson <
> > > > lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com
> > > > > >> >wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> When Elvis came out, some felt he climbed upon the backs of black
> > > > > >>> artists.
> > > > > >>> Consider the tale of Hound Dog. Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller
> > were
> > > > Jewish
> > > > > >>> boys from the east coast who fell in love with black music.
> > Hustling
> > > > in
> > > > > >>> L.A.
> > > > > >>> in the early fifities, they wrote 'Hound Dog' and gave it to
> > Johnny
> > > > Otis
> > > > > >>> a
> > > > > >>> ruling R&B bandleader who was actually a dark skinned white man
> > from
> > > > > >>> Berkely
> > > > > >>> who many thought was black. Otis gave the song to Mama Thornton,
> > who
> > > > made
> > > > > >>> it
> > > > > >>> a number on hit in 53, Otis also took part of the composers
> > credit,
> > > > > >>> Leiber
> > > > > >>> and Stoller fought to get it back. Elvis heard the record,
> > changed it
> > > > > >>> completely, and cut Thornton's version to threads.
> > > > > >>> Whites wrote it, a white made it a hit, Yet there is no denying
> > Hound
> > > > Dog
> > > > > >>> is a black song, unthinkable outside the impulses of black music,
> > and
> > > > > >>> probably a piece of jukejoint fury dating before any of these
> > people
> > > > were
> > > > > >>> alive. This was Elvis's music because he made it his own.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> ----- Original Message ----
> > > > > >>> From: Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com>
> > > > > >>> To: Situationist <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > > > >>> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:09:38 AM
> > > > > >>> Subject: Re: Kundalini,Orgone,Chi,Christ,Tesla
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Chris
> > > > > >>> Well I knew you were going to get tetchy about my comments re
> > > > aboriginal
> > > > > >>> music!
> > > > > >>> What is wrong with authenticity I wonder and what excuse does the
> > > > > >>> non-aboriginal have for claiming aboriginality?
> > > > > >>> None.
> > > > > >>> Colonialism and the conquering of indigenous peoples has seen
> > land,
> > > > > >>> language
> > > > > >>> and culture destroyed and co-opted.
> > > > > >>> I read your essays Chris about the expoloitation of people by
> > > > > >>> Imperialist,
> > > > > >>> Marxist and Fascist entities/States and am very suprised that
> > when we
> > > > > >>> have
> > > > > >>> an example of this,
> > > > > >>> you are up in arms. No this guy pklaying trance-fusion music by
> > using
> > > > a
> > > > > >>> didgeridoo( possibly a commercially made one from Asia in fact)
> > is
> > > > NOT
> > > > > >>> practising aboriginal music.
> > > > > >>> The didgeridoo is used in ceremony, played by certain men or
> > boys.
> > > > There
> > > > > >>> are
> > > > > >>> various ceremonies, involving men's business or dance ceremonies
> > > > where
> > > > > >>> the
> > > > > >>> instrument is
> > > > > >>> leads in the dancers. Good players mimic sounds - nature, animals
> > -
> > > > > >>> unlike
> > > > > >>> clapsticks the dideridoo is not a rhythm maker.
> > > > > >>> Sadly those who pick it up and use it in a "world music" setting
> > end
> > > > up
> > > > > >>> sounding like kazoos or worse, as many aboriginal people joke, a
> > > > white
> > > > > >>> man
> > > > > >>> farting.
> > > > > >>> I would say ditto to the Celtic music in a sense. Irish music has
> > a
> > > > > >>> particular root and birthplace at the crossroads of Moroccan and
> > > > Spanish
> > > > > >>> medieval music that only comes from geographical history.
> > > > > >>> The Scotsman pipes are a bit removed from that.
> > > > > >>> No I do not delight in distorting anything Chris.
> > > > > >>> Just defending those whose culture has been commodified,
> > sanitised
> > > > and
> > > > > >>> misrepresented.In the interests of money/self promotion.
> > > > > >>> The whole time I have been on this list I have received deriding
> > > > stupid
> > > > > >>> and
> > > > > >>> ignorant comments about my country of origin.
> > > > > >>> I've been accused of being silent.
> > > > > >>> I'm in a different time zone from all of you!!!
> > > > > >>> I sent Kathy a good didgeridu player to look at in the hope she
> > will
> > > > take
> > > > > >>> interest.
> > > > > >>> I can send more. Its called generosity of knowledge that I
> > presumed
> > > > this
> > > > > >>> list was about.
> > > > > >>> Never mind that I am a published writer on music and do have a
> > degree
> > > > of
> > > > > >>> expertise. I've never taken the piss out of your knowledge.
> > > > > >>> Vikki
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Christopher Gray <
> > > > > >>> rasputin-AT-teleport.com
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I see. Again, unless a Celt is playing Celtic music, it's NOT
> > > > Celtic?!
> > > > > >>>> Unless an Aborigine is playing Aboriginal music it isn't
> > Aboriginal?
> > > > > >>>> Unless a women is singing a song written by a woman it can't
> > have
> > > > any
> > > > > >>>> meaning?
> > > > > >>>> Unless Bill Monroe is playing one of his own songs, it isn't
> > > > bluegrass?
> > > > > >>>> What utter non-sense!
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> You delight in distorting, misquoting, and deriving delusive
> > > > conclusions
> > > > > >>>> about everything anybody says, but cannot go back in time to
> > delete
> > > > the
> > > > > >>>> message where your misrepresentation begins.
> > > > > >>>> I never said that Kinder was anything. I said he played it!
> > > > > >>>> How much more fucking simple does it have to get?
> > > > > >>>> Is this mindless deconstruction of languages' semantics going
> > after
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>> syntax
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> next, and then its very lexicality, escorting a complementary
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>> dumbification
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> into the social brain (as brain disease), only to be satisfied
> > when
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>> grunts
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> and clicks between collared drooling boneheads is all that's
> > left?
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Efforts on this list have that project well on its way, complete
> > > > with
> > > > > >>>> organic re-subhuman prototyping....
> > > > > >>>> It's really irritating and not interesting at all.
> > > > > >>>> And attractive? Hardly.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> chris
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> On Jun 24, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Vikki Riley wrote:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Chris
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Stephen Kent is from San Fran. He's not aboriginal.
> > > > > >>>>> No credibility whatsover so Kathy's tastes are quite KMartish .
> > > > > >>>>> Yidaki players are taught by elders at the age of 5 usually..
> > Very
> > > > few
> > > > > >>>>> white
> > > > > >>>>> people are priveleged to be brought up by traditional
> > aboriginal
> > > > > >>>>> musicians.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Vikki
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Christopher Gray <
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>> rasputin-AT-teleport.com
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> What?!
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Quite the imagination.
> > > > > >>>>>> Pass a name around the circle and when it comes back you don't
> > > > even
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> know
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> the person that everyone else has re-created. It's an
> > interesting
> > > > > >>>>>> game....
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> She likes music from all over the world, especially, I've
> > noticed,
> > > > > >>>>>> Scottish-Indian fusion (Enya), heavy surf (Dick Dale, Gary
> > Hoey),
> > > > > >>>>>> classical
> > > > > >>>>>> Indian instrumental, psychedelic surf (The Mermen, Polo del
> > Mar) ,
> > > > > >>>>>> electronica (Tangerine Dream), "spaghetti" western music
> > > > (including
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Wall
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > >>>>>> Voodoo), Asian fusion, violin rock-fusion (Jean-Luc Ponty,
> > Jerry
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Goodman,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Steve Kindler, Scarlet Rivera), Aboriginal (Stephen Kent, Steve
> > > > Roch),
> > > > > >>>>>> "acid" trance, Celtic (Enya), Indian (Rasa, Shankar),
> > > > Andes-American
> > > > > >>>>>> (Cusco), etc. Most of it wouldn't work in a strip bar. She
> > does
> > > > have
> > > > > >>>>>> some
> > > > > >>>>>> "Grind" music and "lounge" sound. So, she is appreciative of
> > many
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> musical
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> roots, as am I; her son was a keyboard composer and her daughter
> > > > plays
> > > > > >>>>>> and
> > > > > >>>>>> teaches jazz bass in Oakland-Berkeley.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> She can dance all over the place while I occasionally join in.
> > > > Music
> > > > > >>>>>> is
> > > > > >>>>>> dead here: no clubs but for headbash-metal or polyester-disco
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> hangovers.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> I
> > > > > >>>>>> have yet to get anyone but Kathy to see The Tubes or Stan
> > Ridgway
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> (first
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> lead singer for Wall of Voodoo); she'll go, but others in the
> > area
> > > > are
> > > > > >>>>>> lost
> > > > > >>>>>> in the drone of [c]rap and p[l]op or commercial jingles.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Since she quit the list long ago, and is not wishing for
> > abstract
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> attacks
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> on her to be passive-aggressively used against me, she asked
> > that
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> anyone
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> finding her "Black Box" Self-introduction (listed below)
> > > > interesting,
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> please feel free to contact her directly via her email at <
> > > > > >>>>>> kathykundalini-AT-committee-for-transcendence.org>:
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> =========================> > > > > >>>>>> My name is Kathy. I am here to (hopefully, perhaps, maybe)
> > engage
> > > > with
> > > > > >>>>>> others in the creation of a path and practice aimed towards a
> > > > > >>>>>> personal/collective transformation and liberation. For me,
> > such a
> > > > path
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> is
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> a
> > > > > >>>>>> deeply personal project, as well as, a social/historical and
> > > > global
> > > > > >>>>>> project.
> > > > > >>>>>> I do not have a party-line or recipe to apply. Rather, I wish
> > to
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> develop
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> thoughtful, playful, "subversive," open-ended, and experimental
> > > > > >>>>>> activities
> > > > > >>>>>> of "political" engagement. But, perhaps more importantly, I
> > also
> > > > wish
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> create an ongoing, exploratory practice of transformation of our
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> current
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> forms of consciousness, of our personal sense of who, and what,
> > we
> > > > > >>>>>> are.
> > > > > >>>>>> For
> > > > > >>>>>> me, practice is not only about what we "do to others" -- but
> > also
> > > > what
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> we
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> do
> > > > > >>>>>> to ourselves. I feel my personal path of awakening and radical
> > > > > >>>>>> transformation is really just beginning, not an accomplished
> > fact
> > > > at
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> all.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> I
> > > > > >>>>>> am not talking only about knowledge-acquisition or learning
> > more
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> theory,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> but
> > > > > >>>>>> I am not excluding these either. I am referring to the
> > > > experiential
> > > > > >>>>>> quality
> > > > > >>>>>> of our lives, of our self-understanding of "who we are," and
> > what
> > > > this
> > > > > >>>>>> life-world might be, as in, this planet, this universe, these
> > > > living
> > > > > >>>>>> organisms that we are, these conscious experiences that we
> > seem to
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> have.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Who
> > > > > >>>>>> am I? Who are you? What do I see when I look into your eyes?
> > How
> > > > do I
> > > > > >>>>>> have
> > > > > >>>>>> these experiences? How is it I find myself here and now --
> > with
> > > > you?
> > > > > >>>>>> It
> > > > > >>>>>> is
> > > > > >>>>>> about awakening and more awakening, and finding ways to
> > express
> > > > our
> > > > > >>>>>> awakening, and also of becoming more compassionate, mindful,
> > > > > >>>>>> conscious,
> > > > > >>>>>> present-to-our-lives. I guess I am talking about some kind of
> > > > > >>>>>> "enlightenment," a shared enlightenment, a collective
> > > > transcendence.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> All
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > >>>>>> us, together.
> > > > > >>>>>> I have a general critique of world capitalism, and, for all of
> > my
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> adult
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> life, I have been either actively attempting to promote a world
> > > > > >>>>>> revolution,
> > > > > >>>>>> or silently awaiting such a global movement to appear. But my
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> attraction
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> to
> > > > > >>>>>> such ideas and practices has not come from a sense of
> > > > other-oriented
> > > > > >>>>>> duty,
> > > > > >>>>>> but rather because these modes of thinking and acting were
> > > > inherently
> > > > > >>>>>> interesting, engaging, seductive, challenging. Radical
> > > > consciousness
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> has
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> its
> > > > > >>>>>> own rewards, as it speaks to who we are and who we want to be.
> > My
> > > > > >>>>>> interests
> > > > > >>>>>> range beyond what is "traditionally" seen as "political" or
> > > > "Marxist."
> > > > > >>>>>> Yes,
> > > > > >>>>>> I am drawn toward understanding history, radical social
> > movements,
> > > > > >>>>>> general
> > > > > >>>>>> critiques of capitalist society, alienated labor, the
> > commodity
> > > > form,
> > > > > >>>>>> class
> > > > > >>>>>> societies, etc. But I am also very much interested in other
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> philosophies
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> and
> > > > > >>>>>> viewpoints, like those of existentialism, phenomenology,
> > > > "primitive"
> > > > > >>>>>> societies, "New Age" thinking, etc., and I am also very
> > involved
> > > > in
> > > > > >>>>>> "Eastern" thought, such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Vedanta, Yoga,
> > > > Tantra,
> > > > > >>>>>> etc. I
> > > > > >>>>>> have found, in particular, that these "Eastern" approaches
> > have
> > > > potent
> > > > > >>>>>> techniques that can assist one who sees herself on a
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> self-transformative
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> path -- techniques such as meditation, yoga, ecstatic dance,
> > > > chanting,
> > > > > >>>>>> breathing, compassion-in-action, existential questioning,
> > > > integration
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> of
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> body/mind, consciousness transformation, etc. But, as I said, I
> > also
> > > > > >>>>>> remain
> > > > > >>>>>> "political." I have yet to integrate all these various strands
> > of
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> thought
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> and practice, stretching from Marxist critique to Buddhist
> > breathing
> > > > > >>>>>> meditation, etc., into a "coherent" viewpoint, except as they
> > all
> > > > > >>>>>> intersect
> > > > > >>>>>> in me. But whatever trend of thought I find myself exploring,
> > I
> > > > try to
> > > > > >>>>>> allow
> > > > > >>>>>> the ideas to sink into me, and to alter me in some way -- as
> > in,
> > > > to
> > > > > >>>>>> change
> > > > > >>>>>> my experience and my orientation toward life. Practice is the
> > key
> > > > --
> > > > > >>>>>> though
> > > > > >>>>>> personally I cannot put myself on any kind of pedestal in that
> > > > regard,
> > > > > >>>>>> politically or spiritually.
> > > > > >>>>>> So my endeavor is not to substitute the purely personal for
> > the
> > > > > >>>>>> political
> > > > > >>>>>> -- but rather, to develop a practice that aims for the
> > mutually
> > > > > >>>>>> integrative
> > > > > >>>>>> transcendence of both. Yes, I want to participate in a global
> > > > movement
> > > > > >>>>>> that
> > > > > >>>>>> might take us all beyond the constrictions of our current
> > daily
> > > > lives,
> > > > > >>>>>> and
> > > > > >>>>>> beyond the ever-threatening crisis of world capitalism. But I
> > am
> > > > also
> > > > > >>>>>> a
> > > > > >>>>>> human consciousness, living all the mystery that this
> > involves. I
> > > > am
> > > > > >>>>>> aware
> > > > > >>>>>> of my own existence, though I do not understand it, and cannot
> > > > explain
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> it
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> at
> > > > > >>>>>> all. But this is my life, I am living it now. I want to awaken
> > > > more
> > > > > >>>>>> and
> > > > > >>>>>> more
> > > > > >>>>>> to what this might "mean," and to awaken to what my
> > possibilities
> > > > are,
> > > > > >>>>>> right
> > > > > >>>>>> now, in this moment. So I am not only a historical being, but
> > also
> > > > an
> > > > > >>>>>> existential/spiritual being, searching for transcendence.. It
> > is a
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> matter
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > >>>>>> simultaneously locating myself, with others, on this
> > > > social-historical
> > > > > >>>>>> dimension, while also creating the forms of self-reflective
> > > > expression
> > > > > >>>>>> for
> > > > > >>>>>> what we feel "inside" -- to explore, embody, and express
> > certain
> > > > > >>>>>> potentials
> > > > > >>>>>> -- and also to create the path to the "other side of this
> > life" --
> > > > the
> > > > > >>>>>> path
> > > > > >>>>>> toward that which calls from just beyond the horizon of
> > > > consciousness,
> > > > > >>>>>> beyond these constricting social forms, beyond what we have
> > been
> > > > told
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> it
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> means to be a person in this society.
> > > > > >>>>>> So then, the question becomes, how does my path intersect with
> > > > others?
> > > > > >>>>>> With yours? What can we do individually and collectively to
> > > > > >>>>>> self-understand,
> > > > > >>>>>> self-create, self-transform? How do we mutually provoke,
> > enliven,
> > > > and
> > > > > >>>>>> express our need for transcendence? How to do this amidst this
> > > > > >>>>>> overwhelming
> > > > > >>>>>> and omnipresent capitalist society? How to engage in
> > > > > >>>>>> social/personal/transformative practice -- effectively?
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> So this is a little of me. And so, now, who are you? Who would
> > you
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> like
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> to be? What would you like to do? What can we do together? What
> > game
> > > > > >>>>>> do
> > > > > >>>>>> you
> > > > > >>>>>> want to play today?
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Namaste (I bow to you)
> > > > > >>>>>> Kathy
> > > > > >>>>>> =========================> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> best wishes,
> > > > > >>>>>> chris
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> On Jun 23, 2009, at 8:37 PM, Vikki Riley wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Hey Laurie
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Well I've been to San Fran and smelt the err petrol fumes err
> > I
> > > > mean
> > > > > >>>>>>> organic
> > > > > >>>>>>> garden aromas competing with latino noise and coke
> > > > addicts.....Wish
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> I'd
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> met
> > > > > >>>>>>> Kathy Kundalini I guess if she was in the Mission she'd be a
> > > > stripper
> > > > > >>>>>>> gyrating to alt rock no doubt..
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Laurie Colson <
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> I don't think Buddha is New Age, it's No Age, but I was
> > saying
> > > > that I
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> have
> > > > > >>>>>>>> known many New Agers that embrace Buddhist principles; while
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> belittling
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Christian ones. If I had a Phd. from Berkley--well I know it's
> > > > > >>>>>>>> different
> > > > > >>>>>>>> out
> > > > > >>>>>>>> there but I would put my real name in front of it. I
> > inferred a
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> NewAge
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> and
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Orgone reference in the psuedonym, Kundalini. I could not
> > help
> > > > but
> > > > > >>>>>>>> do
> > > > > >>>>>>>> so.
> > > > > >>>>>>>> You live in San Fran, and have a garden, fruit and nut
> > orchard?
> > > > > >>>>>>>> You receive Social Security, but are waiting till it is cut
> > off
> > > > to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> exit
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> dependency matrix? Callling me procapitalist? I don't have
> > > > capital
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> like
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> I
> > > > > >>>>>>>> don't have equity or own anything over a couple hundred
> > bucks,
> > > > for
> > > > > >>>>>>>> real.
> > > > > >>>>>>>> I
> > > > > >>>>>>>> receive social security also, and as told you my daughter
> > who
> > > > lives
> > > > > >>>>>>>> with
> > > > > >>>>>>>> me
> > > > > >>>>>>>> is taxpaying U.S.M.C. (I know, women usually have more
> > empathy
> > > > > >>>>>>>> regarding
> > > > > >>>>>>>> humans. She's only twenty. Empathy as exhibited in passage
> > from
> > > > you
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> to
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> another human ""The One" is such an asshole liar, always seeking
> > the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> attention that people defending themselves or views brings
> > back
> > > > to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> IT,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> liar.
> > > > > >>>>>>>> IT ought to try inserting ITS manhood up ITS own ass; it's
> > as
> > > > close
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> to
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> love
> > > > > >>>>>>>> as IT'll probably get, although I'm certain limp rape. But
> > then,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> IT'll
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> never
> > > > > >>>>>>>> call ITself the next day, and the world of IT-top and
> > IT-bottom,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> eternally
> > > > > >>>>>>>> dualistic, will be all who "care", if IT possesses even that
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> quality."
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> I am "insensitive/ignorant visionless capitalist fascist." I am
> > not
> > > > > >>>>>>>> guilty of ad-hominum attacks, at least. What's wrong with
> > Star
> > > > Wars?
> > > > > >>>>>>>> George
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Lucas is a visionary. So there. Are you saying lastly that
> > > > taking a
> > > > > >>>>>>>> shit
> > > > > >>>>>>>> is
> > > > > >>>>>>>> a procapitalistfascist movement? A good bowel movement is a
> > sign
> > > > of
> > > > > >>>>>>>> robust
> > > > > >>>>>>>> health.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> ________________________________
> > > > > >>>>>>>> From: Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> To: Situationist <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Cc: Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 2:00:06 AM
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kundalini,Orgone,Chi,Christ,Tesla
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> sadly, the Visionless One cannot comprehend that some people
> > use
> > > > > >>>>>>>> pseudonyms
> > > > > >>>>>>>> and aliases. In fact, ALL email uses aliasing to even work
> > at
> > > > all.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Some
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> people use anonymous servers. Others like to keep some privacy
> > so
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> they
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> get
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Yahoo, MSN/Hotmail, or Google/gmail email addresses. It's a
> > > > security
> > > > > >>>>>>>> measure
> > > > > >>>>>>>> as well. But then, when you cannot see a need for security 1
> > > > inch in
> > > > > >>>>>>>> front
> > > > > >>>>>>>> of your nose, well... perhaps the sense as well as the fun
> > both
> > > > get
> > > > > >>>>>>>> missed.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Kathy went on to get a library sciences masters degree and
> > used
> > > > it
> > > > > >>>>>>>> to
> > > > > >>>>>>>> get
> > > > > >>>>>>>> a
> > > > > >>>>>>>> job at the SF Chronicle for nearly 24 years before the
> > another
> > > > SFC
> > > > > >>>>>>>> demise-pending layoff of recent. Since we combine for less
> > than
> > > > 1/2
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> of
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> what
> > > > > >>>>>>>> either of use used to get, we are spending much time
> > gardening
> > > > food
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> so
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> we
> > > > > >>>>>>>> can save money and store food, carrying bath/shower water to
> > the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> rain
> > > > > >>>>>>>> barrel
> > > > > >>>>>>>> or directly to the garden fruits/nut trees, etc.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> When her unemployment runs out or when my Social Security is
> > cut
> > > > > >>>>>>>> off,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> we
> > > > > >>>>>>>> will lose the house and be on the street. For now, we are
> > trying
> > > > as
> > > > > >>>>>>>> cheaply
> > > > > >>>>>>>> as we can to get off the matrix of dependency so that we
> > have no
> > > > > >>>>>>>> food
> > > > > >>>>>>>> or
> > > > > >>>>>>>> utility bills, only a mortgage (bank as the landlord)
> > payment.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Buddhism is not New Age. That kind of snide disregard for
> > how a
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> greter
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> portion of the world sees reality is expected and typically
> > > > > >>>>>>>> insensitive/ignorant.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> I appreciate your undeterred interest. Women usually have
> > more
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> empathy
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> regarding humans. Cranking out idiots high on Doom, Star Wars,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Extreme
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Cage
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Fighting, and aggressive cynicism is why there is no
> > movement
> > > > today
> > > > > >>>>>>>> worth
> > > > > >>>>>>>> a
> > > > > >>>>>>>> shit, except for that movement itself, which is
> > proto-fascist
> > > > and
> > > > > >>>>>>>> pro-capitalist.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Send Kathy an email. She'd enjoy your views and comments.....
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> best,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> chris
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> On Jun 22, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Laurie Colson wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Baltimore? have you ever seen Pink Flamingos by John Waters?
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> According
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Chris Grey Kathy Kundalini is from Berkley, Ca, were she
> > > > attended
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> university
> > > > > >>>>>>>> in philosophy. I don't see how it is likely design students
> > and
> > > > New
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Agers
> > > > > >>>>>>>> and Sarte deconstructors engage with History and Class
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Conciousness,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> but
> > > > > >>>>>>>> she and others supposedly do in S.I. It's a big tent.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> ________________________________
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> From: Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> To: Situationist <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 12:54:55 AM
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kundalini,Orgone,Chi,Christ,Tesla
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Yeah right my real name is Victoria Viagra
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> What a load of New Age trash! Kathy Kundalini is probably
> > some
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> tranvestite
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> from where? Baltimore no doubt
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Laurie Colson <
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> "Kathy's work includes several pieces that may be of use to
> > you
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> w/r/t
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> her ability to synthesize Buddhism, Native American
> > beliefs,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> phenomenology, Hegelian dialectics, and Situationist
> > theory:"
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> ...slowly i turned....
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Her name is seriously Kathy Kundalini? Man, I feel stupid
> > for
> > > > not
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> putting
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> all this together sooner, Orgone IS Kundalini, Chi, Prana,
> > > > Christ. I
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> just
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> haven't been thinking I guess. Reich split from Freud was
> > > > because he
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> claimed
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> libido was an actual measurable force, Orgone, which could
> > be
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> accumulated...
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> searching the internet, accumulators come in all variety,
> > and
> > > > price
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> range
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> addressing societal environment cancer illls. The romantic
> > in me
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> thinks
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> mythology of Reich is cool, but his is a mystic and
> > philosopher,
> > > > not
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> an
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> engineer or phycist. His accumulator is a low powered Tesla
> > > > coil,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > >
> > members.dslextreme.com/users/rogermw/Reich/orgone_field_meter.html
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> He thought orgone was being messed with from flying saucers.
> > > > Tesla
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> was
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> an
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> eccentric also. But an electrical engineer and physcst.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Aside from his work on electromagnetism and
> > electromechanical
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> engineering,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Tesla has contributed in varying degrees to the
> > establishment of
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> robotics,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> remote control, radar and computer science, and to the
> > expansion
> > > > of
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> ballistics, nuclear physics,[8] and theoretical physics. In
> > > > 1943,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Supreme Court of the United States credited him as being the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> inventor
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> radio.[9]
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Many of his achievements have been used, with some
> > > > controversy, to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> support various pseudosciences, UFO theories, and early
> > New
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Ageoccultism. <
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Why do New Agers shun and deny the Christ form of this light
> > > > energy,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> but
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> not buddha? Or laying on of hands? how differ from Reichi
> > etc.
> > > > I've
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> always
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> said I didn't believe in anything supernatural but I have no
> > way
> > > > of
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> knowing.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> But when speaking of Reich, well, people should be more
> > careful,
> > > > at
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> least
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> stating the nature of his work. Maybe I should get Ms.
> > > > Khundalini's
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> work
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> on
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Dialectic No More; or a cerebral torque wrench. I mean this
> > > > stuff,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> seriously. Maybe I'll go read some Allan Ginsburg, or
> > listen to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Tesla
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> records. Just cause I love Kate Bush's Cloudbusting doesn't mean
> > I
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> should
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> have posted it in defense of Reich.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
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Yes I see where "integrated" can equal genocide. "Assimilated" seems no better a word or process.
Many thanks for the description of aboriginal people's treatment. The U.S. has a similar situation concerning Native Americans.
Diana
> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:06:26 +0930
> Subject: Re: authentic music/appropriation/ integration for Christsake
> From: riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com
> To: situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org
>
> Diana,
> I queried integrated because in Australia, immigrants don't like that kind
> of word (here we would say assimilated, it is usually mentioned by right
> wing parties here when they have been in power, eg John Howard's reign)..
> For aboriginal people, assimilation equates with genocide.Our current PM
> enacted an apology to all aboriginal people in 2008 for past practices of
> assimilation which involved removing children of colour and placing them in
> white families.
> Here in Australia now (and I'm just stating the facts) people hold dual
> nationality. Eg An Italian AND Australian passport. There is no compulsion
> to speak English and many immigrants have lived here for 50 years or more
> without learning a word of English.
> "No worries" is the only sentence they need to master. Ditto aboriginal
> people.
> English is a second language.
> We don't have gun culture (cops, bikers have em thats it) here so harmony on
> the streets is fairly easy to accomplish.We have our riots sure. But the
> fact that the majority of the population is mixed race makes it hard for one
> ethnic group to dominate. .
> Vikki
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail..com>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Dear Jean,
> >
> >
> >
> > Okay use another word for "living together peacefully" if you don't like
> > the connotes of "integrated."
> >
> >
> >
> > I didn't mean "homogenized." Our town has lots of public housing subsidized
> > by social service agencies for which tenants pay minimal rent (and yes, get
> > minimal services), as well as affordable working-class housing rented our
> > mortgaged, lower middle-class housing and upper middle-class housing. Our
> > crime rate is the lowest of the five boroughs of NYC, and our services to
> > the elderly and disabled are first-class: food deliveries, in-home hospice
> > care, visiting nurses and doctors, free transporation, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, the American class system is at work here as elsewhere; it's not
> > Paradise. We like the rest of America lack universal health care (come on
> > Mr. O!). We don't have ghettoes; classes and races live on the same blocks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Diana
> > >
> > > Integrated? Are you serious? Do you really see integration as a virtue
> > because I dont. Not for Whitey anyway.
> > > I live in a place called Barry in South Wales, not the Baltimore of
> > popular imagination. Sounds to me like your idea of integration is people
> > who mall together or chat in the bookstore.
> > > Barry people are integrated alright. They are a bunch of fucking rednecks
> > with an open minded view of the world about one nanometer across.
> > > Welcome to Noniggersville. You know this is a seabord and tightly knit in
> > that all these fucking morons all know each other. But Marthas fucking
> > Vineyard it aint.
> > > What Im saying is that there is a downside to integration. You will find
> > that integration is a specialism of poor people whch is what is happening
> > here. You wont find any fucking Laura Ashley shit here. Plenty of fat bully
> > girls though confident in their shared values of bad body image and anyone
> > who doesnt come from here can go and fuck themselves.
> > > These kind of people go abroad for their miserable dissipated drunken
> > holidays and come back pleased with having fucked over some foreigners.
> > > Barry should be transported to Nevada and fucking vitrified in a new test
> > programme funded by the Welsh Assembly.
> > > Thats what I think of integration. Im in a bad mood this morning. Nobody
> > fuck with me.
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 30/6/09, Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: authentic music/appropriation
> > > To: "Situationist" <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 4:18 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > Diana
> > > What do you mean by integrated?
> > > The melting pot idea?
> > > Please clarify.
> > > Vikki
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Diana Manister <dmanister-AT-hotmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I can't believe any community is more integrated than the North Shore
> > of
> > > > Staten Island where I live, including the towns of New Brighton, West
> > > > Brighton, Port Richmond, Tompkinsville and Stapleton. I'll put these up
> > > > against any five towns anywhere on that score.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Diana
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:16:29 +0930
> > > > > Subject: Re: authentic music/appropriation
> > > > > From: riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com
> > > > > To: situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org
> > > > >
> > > > > On the website for where you live Chris it states that Pleasant Hill
> > CA
> > > > is
> > > > > 68.5% white. It does list the other demographics in their pitiful
> > > > numbers. I
> > > > > notice their are no Indians or Afghanis on the list. Must make eating
> > out
> > > > > boring over there.
> > > > > Where I live - hey I hate to be an ambassador but its a kind of
> > utopia I
> > > > > think. If I drive 2 hours east from town I'm in 99% blackfella land.
> > > > Where
> > > > > they call European people "pink" , how accurate.
> > > > > My initial point was about non-aboriginal people foolishly playing an
> > > > > aboriginal instrument and claiming they are a bona fide player.
> > > > > Its all spiralled out of control by your ignorance about this whole
> > > > subject.
> > > > > Why can't you concede other people may know about this subject?
> > > > > Your average Joe in Australia knows all this stuff about who can and
> > > > can't
> > > > > perform aboriginal culture.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vikki
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Christopher Gray <
> > rasputin-AT-teleport.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > And "whitey" isn't a racist term like "blackie" or "nigger"? It's a
> > > > > > euphemism for "honkie".
> > > > > > What's with the hate of any member of our one race, including
> > "whitey".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It may interest you to know that many "black" Polynesians (a
> > > > geographical
> > > > > > area) are "Caucasoid" (an anthropological "sub-race" term).
> > > > > > Michael Jackson was near-"white" and was still considered "Negroid"
> > > > > > (another anthropological"sub-race" term).
> > > > > > U.S. government idiots labeled a "race" as a choice between
> > elements of
> > > > > > disparate sets, "Asian" (i.e., geographical set), "white" (a color
> > that
> > > > can
> > > > > > be from most anywhere), "African-American" (some fuzzy combination
> > of
> > > > three
> > > > > > continents), Native American (based on a period of time preceding
> > the
> > > > > > African, Asian, South American, and European immigrations),
> > Vietnamese
> > > > (a
> > > > > > nation-state).
> > > > > > The absurdity of classifications exposes that no one cares who you
> > are
> > > > just
> > > > > > as long as an agenda based in quantification makes a usable object
> > out
> > > > of
> > > > > > you, as if for some politicians' lie demographic....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Most "pop" music doesn't come from this hated "whitey" anyway.
> > > > > > Just read "Billboard" and the sales tallies for the last 35 years.
> > > > > > Motown was as "pop" as it gets, just as is "elevator jazz" and is
> > > > > > "hip-hop".
> > > > > > I liked Motown and hated "boy bands".
> > > > > > Am I "white", "black", or a demographic for both the Brill Building
> > > > "hit"
> > > > > > factory, payola of colorless capital and its post-leather "sweet
> > > > nothings",
> > > > > > or what?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I worked as a DJ, in a record store (7 years), and played in
> > several
> > > > bands
> > > > > > (from age 12-17).
> > > > > > Musical history, from what I experienced and from what I learned
> > from
> > > > > > others still in the field (Barry Melton, Ike Willis, Jon Koonce,
> > The
> > > > > > X-Angels, Jeff Lorber, Stan Ridgway, and many more): everyone
> > playing
> > > > it got
> > > > > > screwed, everyone listening got screwed, and everyone paying to
> > hear it
> > > > got
> > > > > > screwed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A few interesting books for general reference (one on the forms
> > coming
> > > > > > classical and avant-garde, mainly from Europe; one covering rock
> > and
> > > > pop).
> > > > > > There's plenty more. I'd appreciate any recommendations, especially
> > > > dealing
> > > > > > with the varieties of tonality, scales, etc. from other parts of
> > the
> > > > world.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here's two:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Twentieth-Century Music: An Introduction - by Eric Salzman
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Offering complete, accurate coverage in a tightly condensed,
> > simple
> > > > > > format, this comprehensive exploration of modern music (to 1998)
> > deals
> > > > > > primarily with the music itself and musical ideas. It puts the
> > whole
> > > > century
> > > > > > in a unified concept, helping readers make sense out of the
> > > > heterogeneity.
> > > > > > It explains the overall development of 20th century music in
> > relation
> > > > to the
> > > > > > past and to two big cycles of contemporary music; and encompasses
> > > > classical
> > > > > > and experimental traditions as well as popular elements, media,
> > > > multi-media,
> > > > > > and theater. Twentieth-Century Music and the Past. THE BREAKDOWN OF
> > > > > > TRADITIONAL TONALITY. The Sources. The Revolution: Paris and
> > Vienna.
> > > > THE NEW
> > > > > > TONALITIES. Stravinsky and Neo-Classicism. Neo-Classicism and
> > > > Neo-Tonality
> > > > > > in France and Outside of France. National Styles. Musical Theater.
> > > > ATONALITY
> > > > > > AND TWELVE-TONE MUSIC. The Viennese School. The Diffusion of
> > > > Twelve-Tone
> > > > > > Music. THE AVANT GARDE. Before World War II. Technological Culture
> > and
> > > > > > Electronic Music. Ultra-Rationality and Serialism. Anti-Rationality
> > and
> > > > > > Aleatory. The New Performed Music: The United States.
> > Post-Serialism:
> > > > The
> > > > > > New Performance Practice in Europe. POST-MODERNISM. Beyond Modern
> > > > Music.
> > > > > > Back to Tonality. Pop as Culture. Media and Theater. Music
> > Examples.
> > > > For
> > > > > > courses anyone interested in 20th Century Music, Modern Music, or
> > the
> > > > > > History of Music. "
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rock and the Pop Narcotic - by Joe Carducci
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > www.amazon.com/Rock-Pop-Narcotic-Joe-Carducci/dp/188098511X/ref=sr_1_146251484&sr=1-1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Three reviews:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Joe Carducci is best known for playing a crucial role in the
> > running
> > > > of
> > > > > > SST records, probably the most important US independent record
> > label
> > > > > > (certainly of the past 30 years), in the early 80's. The principal
> > > > selling
> > > > > > point for me was the long-overdue acknowledgement of the bands on
> > the
> > > > label,
> > > > > > who were breaking new ground in rock music while the Euro-fixated
> > rock
> > > > press
> > > > > > was asleep at the wheel covering bands and artists who were
> > completely
> > > > > > irrelevant to the form. Rock journalism is delivered a sound, much
> > > > deserved
> > > > > > beating from Carducci, and I treasured every minute of it. It's an
> > > > > > indescribable breath of fresh air to hear a view contrary to its
> > > > de-regeuer
> > > > > > leftist utopianism, phobia of physical music, and projection of
> > > > > > university-fostered social schemes onto rock music. His contrasting
> > of
> > > > > > "rock" vs. "pop" music is central to his aesthetic, and while I'll
> > > > never
> > > > > > understand his appreciation of certain bands, this is one of the
> > best
> > > > books
> > > > > > on rock you'll read."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "This book is impressive, and not only for the deep knowledge of
> > rock
> > > > that
> > > > > > Carducci displays. The opening chapters describing what the "real"
> > > > sounds of
> > > > > > rock are should be required reading for anyone interested in
> > forming a
> > > > band.
> > > > > > The scope of this book is unrivalled and the selections for the
> > most
> > > > > > influential bands will raise more than a few eyebrows (No where
> > else
> > > > will
> > > > > > you see James "Blood" Ulmer mentioned in the same vein as Sabbath).
> > > > Carducci
> > > > > > rightly praises the "Black" bands (Sabbath and Flag) as the most
> > > > influential
> > > > > > in their respective genre's, but it may come as a surprise to many
> > that
> > > > > > Carducci attributes (perhaps correctly) the original "wall of
> > sound"
> > > > > > approach to Eddie Cochrane. While this book doesn't cover heavy
> > metal
> > > > and
> > > > > > it's sub-genres very completely (see Ian Christe's Sound of the
> > Beast
> > > > for
> > > > > > that), it wasn't meant to (see Title). In addition, this is one of
> > the
> > > > few
> > > > > > books that credits (rightly) the Ramones for their widespread
> > influence
> > > > > > (early Black Flag and the Misfits to name two of the most
> > well-known).
> > > > In
> > > > > > addition to the depth of knowledge displayed, Carducci will have
> > you
> > > > rolling
> > > > > > in laughter more than once. If all the above is not enough, the
> > > > appendices
> > > > > > with original poster art and one of the funniest Ray Pettibon
> > paintings
> > > > > > (Give me librium or give me meth....) are worth the price of the
> > book
> > > > alone.
> > > > > > Buy it and then buy some essential music!"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Simply put: this is the best and most thoroughly under-rated book
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > subject of rock music. Carducci knows his subject inside out and
> > gives
> > > > a
> > > > > > belated due to many greats of the '70s and '80s (Pere Ubu, Black
> > Flag,
> > > > > > Ramones, Minutemen, Saccharine Trust, Birthday Party, etc.), as
> > well as
> > > > > > correcting so many of the falsities propogated by the leftist music
> > > > media of
> > > > > > the last 30-40 years. The basic contention is that "unfashionable"
> > > > forms of
> > > > > > ROCK MUSIC (surf, greaser, punk, heavy metal) have never been given
> > > > their
> > > > > > credit due to the class snobbery of the rock-crit elite who favour
> > the
> > > > > > liberal, do-gooding sounds of pop simps U2, Sting, etc. and because
> > > > "real"
> > > > > > rock doesn't have the marketability of the pop stars that imitate
> > it.
> > > > > > There's no way you'll agree with everything Carducci has to say,
> > but
> > > > it's
> > > > > > certainly the only rock'n'roll book that's ever made me really
> > THINK."
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I suggest:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Jun 28, 2009, at 7:23 PM, Vikki Riley wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Totally irrelevant comparison Laurie.
> > > > > >> Where's the aboriginal song here that whitey is singing?
> > > > > >> We are not talking pop music
> > > > > >> Vikki
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 2:53 AM, Laurie Colson <
> > > > lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com
> > > > > >> >wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> When Elvis came out, some felt he climbed upon the backs of black
> > > > > >>> artists.
> > > > > >>> Consider the tale of Hound Dog. Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller
> > were
> > > > Jewish
> > > > > >>> boys from the east coast who fell in love with black music.
> > Hustling
> > > > in
> > > > > >>> L.A.
> > > > > >>> in the early fifities, they wrote 'Hound Dog' and gave it to
> > Johnny
> > > > Otis
> > > > > >>> a
> > > > > >>> ruling R&B bandleader who was actually a dark skinned white man
> > from
> > > > > >>> Berkely
> > > > > >>> who many thought was black. Otis gave the song to Mama Thornton,
> > who
> > > > made
> > > > > >>> it
> > > > > >>> a number on hit in 53, Otis also took part of the composers
> > credit,
> > > > > >>> Leiber
> > > > > >>> and Stoller fought to get it back. Elvis heard the record,
> > changed it
> > > > > >>> completely, and cut Thornton's version to threads.
> > > > > >>> Whites wrote it, a white made it a hit, Yet there is no denying
> > Hound
> > > > Dog
> > > > > >>> is a black song, unthinkable outside the impulses of black music,
> > and
> > > > > >>> probably a piece of jukejoint fury dating before any of these
> > people
> > > > were
> > > > > >>> alive. This was Elvis's music because he made it his own.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> ----- Original Message ----
> > > > > >>> From: Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com>
> > > > > >>> To: Situationist <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > > > >>> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:09:38 AM
> > > > > >>> Subject: Re: Kundalini,Orgone,Chi,Christ,Tesla
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Chris
> > > > > >>> Well I knew you were going to get tetchy about my comments re
> > > > aboriginal
> > > > > >>> music!
> > > > > >>> What is wrong with authenticity I wonder and what excuse does the
> > > > > >>> non-aboriginal have for claiming aboriginality?
> > > > > >>> None.
> > > > > >>> Colonialism and the conquering of indigenous peoples has seen
> > land,
> > > > > >>> language
> > > > > >>> and culture destroyed and co-opted.
> > > > > >>> I read your essays Chris about the expoloitation of people by
> > > > > >>> Imperialist,
> > > > > >>> Marxist and Fascist entities/States and am very suprised that
> > when we
> > > > > >>> have
> > > > > >>> an example of this,
> > > > > >>> you are up in arms. No this guy pklaying trance-fusion music by
> > using
> > > > a
> > > > > >>> didgeridoo( possibly a commercially made one from Asia in fact)
> > is
> > > > NOT
> > > > > >>> practising aboriginal music.
> > > > > >>> The didgeridoo is used in ceremony, played by certain men or
> > boys.
> > > > There
> > > > > >>> are
> > > > > >>> various ceremonies, involving men's business or dance ceremonies
> > > > where
> > > > > >>> the
> > > > > >>> instrument is
> > > > > >>> leads in the dancers. Good players mimic sounds - nature, animals
> > -
> > > > > >>> unlike
> > > > > >>> clapsticks the dideridoo is not a rhythm maker.
> > > > > >>> Sadly those who pick it up and use it in a "world music" setting
> > end
> > > > up
> > > > > >>> sounding like kazoos or worse, as many aboriginal people joke, a
> > > > white
> > > > > >>> man
> > > > > >>> farting.
> > > > > >>> I would say ditto to the Celtic music in a sense. Irish music has
> > a
> > > > > >>> particular root and birthplace at the crossroads of Moroccan and
> > > > Spanish
> > > > > >>> medieval music that only comes from geographical history.
> > > > > >>> The Scotsman pipes are a bit removed from that.
> > > > > >>> No I do not delight in distorting anything Chris.
> > > > > >>> Just defending those whose culture has been commodified,
> > sanitised
> > > > and
> > > > > >>> misrepresented.In the interests of money/self promotion.
> > > > > >>> The whole time I have been on this list I have received deriding
> > > > stupid
> > > > > >>> and
> > > > > >>> ignorant comments about my country of origin.
> > > > > >>> I've been accused of being silent.
> > > > > >>> I'm in a different time zone from all of you!!!
> > > > > >>> I sent Kathy a good didgeridu player to look at in the hope she
> > will
> > > > take
> > > > > >>> interest.
> > > > > >>> I can send more. Its called generosity of knowledge that I
> > presumed
> > > > this
> > > > > >>> list was about.
> > > > > >>> Never mind that I am a published writer on music and do have a
> > degree
> > > > of
> > > > > >>> expertise. I've never taken the piss out of your knowledge.
> > > > > >>> Vikki
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Christopher Gray <
> > > > > >>> rasputin-AT-teleport.com
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I see. Again, unless a Celt is playing Celtic music, it's NOT
> > > > Celtic?!
> > > > > >>>> Unless an Aborigine is playing Aboriginal music it isn't
> > Aboriginal?
> > > > > >>>> Unless a women is singing a song written by a woman it can't
> > have
> > > > any
> > > > > >>>> meaning?
> > > > > >>>> Unless Bill Monroe is playing one of his own songs, it isn't
> > > > bluegrass?
> > > > > >>>> What utter non-sense!
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> You delight in distorting, misquoting, and deriving delusive
> > > > conclusions
> > > > > >>>> about everything anybody says, but cannot go back in time to
> > delete
> > > > the
> > > > > >>>> message where your misrepresentation begins.
> > > > > >>>> I never said that Kinder was anything. I said he played it!
> > > > > >>>> How much more fucking simple does it have to get?
> > > > > >>>> Is this mindless deconstruction of languages' semantics going
> > after
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>> syntax
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> next, and then its very lexicality, escorting a complementary
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>> dumbification
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> into the social brain (as brain disease), only to be satisfied
> > when
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>> grunts
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> and clicks between collared drooling boneheads is all that's
> > left?
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Efforts on this list have that project well on its way, complete
> > > > with
> > > > > >>>> organic re-subhuman prototyping....
> > > > > >>>> It's really irritating and not interesting at all.
> > > > > >>>> And attractive? Hardly.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> chris
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> On Jun 24, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Vikki Riley wrote:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Chris
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Stephen Kent is from San Fran. He's not aboriginal.
> > > > > >>>>> No credibility whatsover so Kathy's tastes are quite KMartish .
> > > > > >>>>> Yidaki players are taught by elders at the age of 5 usually..
> > Very
> > > > few
> > > > > >>>>> white
> > > > > >>>>> people are priveleged to be brought up by traditional
> > aboriginal
> > > > > >>>>> musicians.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Vikki
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Christopher Gray <
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>> rasputin-AT-teleport.com
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> What?!
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Quite the imagination.
> > > > > >>>>>> Pass a name around the circle and when it comes back you don't
> > > > even
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> know
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> the person that everyone else has re-created. It's an
> > interesting
> > > > > >>>>>> game....
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> She likes music from all over the world, especially, I've
> > noticed,
> > > > > >>>>>> Scottish-Indian fusion (Enya), heavy surf (Dick Dale, Gary
> > Hoey),
> > > > > >>>>>> classical
> > > > > >>>>>> Indian instrumental, psychedelic surf (The Mermen, Polo del
> > Mar) ,
> > > > > >>>>>> electronica (Tangerine Dream), "spaghetti" western music
> > > > (including
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Wall
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > >>>>>> Voodoo), Asian fusion, violin rock-fusion (Jean-Luc Ponty,
> > Jerry
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Goodman,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Steve Kindler, Scarlet Rivera), Aboriginal (Stephen Kent, Steve
> > > > Roch),
> > > > > >>>>>> "acid" trance, Celtic (Enya), Indian (Rasa, Shankar),
> > > > Andes-American
> > > > > >>>>>> (Cusco), etc. Most of it wouldn't work in a strip bar. She
> > does
> > > > have
> > > > > >>>>>> some
> > > > > >>>>>> "Grind" music and "lounge" sound. So, she is appreciative of
> > many
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> musical
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> roots, as am I; her son was a keyboard composer and her daughter
> > > > plays
> > > > > >>>>>> and
> > > > > >>>>>> teaches jazz bass in Oakland-Berkeley.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> She can dance all over the place while I occasionally join in.
> > > > Music
> > > > > >>>>>> is
> > > > > >>>>>> dead here: no clubs but for headbash-metal or polyester-disco
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> hangovers.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> I
> > > > > >>>>>> have yet to get anyone but Kathy to see The Tubes or Stan
> > Ridgway
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> (first
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> lead singer for Wall of Voodoo); she'll go, but others in the
> > area
> > > > are
> > > > > >>>>>> lost
> > > > > >>>>>> in the drone of [c]rap and p[l]op or commercial jingles.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Since she quit the list long ago, and is not wishing for
> > abstract
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> attacks
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> on her to be passive-aggressively used against me, she asked
> > that
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> anyone
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> finding her "Black Box" Self-introduction (listed below)
> > > > interesting,
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> please feel free to contact her directly via her email at <
> > > > > >>>>>> kathykundalini-AT-committee-for-transcendence.org>:
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> =========================> > > > > >>>>>> My name is Kathy. I am here to (hopefully, perhaps, maybe)
> > engage
> > > > with
> > > > > >>>>>> others in the creation of a path and practice aimed towards a
> > > > > >>>>>> personal/collective transformation and liberation. For me,
> > such a
> > > > path
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> is
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> a
> > > > > >>>>>> deeply personal project, as well as, a social/historical and
> > > > global
> > > > > >>>>>> project.
> > > > > >>>>>> I do not have a party-line or recipe to apply. Rather, I wish
> > to
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> develop
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> thoughtful, playful, "subversive," open-ended, and experimental
> > > > > >>>>>> activities
> > > > > >>>>>> of "political" engagement. But, perhaps more importantly, I
> > also
> > > > wish
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> to
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> create an ongoing, exploratory practice of transformation of our
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> current
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> forms of consciousness, of our personal sense of who, and what,
> > we
> > > > > >>>>>> are.
> > > > > >>>>>> For
> > > > > >>>>>> me, practice is not only about what we "do to others" -- but
> > also
> > > > what
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> we
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> do
> > > > > >>>>>> to ourselves. I feel my personal path of awakening and radical
> > > > > >>>>>> transformation is really just beginning, not an accomplished
> > fact
> > > > at
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> all.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> I
> > > > > >>>>>> am not talking only about knowledge-acquisition or learning
> > more
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> theory,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> but
> > > > > >>>>>> I am not excluding these either. I am referring to the
> > > > experiential
> > > > > >>>>>> quality
> > > > > >>>>>> of our lives, of our self-understanding of "who we are," and
> > what
> > > > this
> > > > > >>>>>> life-world might be, as in, this planet, this universe, these
> > > > living
> > > > > >>>>>> organisms that we are, these conscious experiences that we
> > seem to
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> have.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Who
> > > > > >>>>>> am I? Who are you? What do I see when I look into your eyes?
> > How
> > > > do I
> > > > > >>>>>> have
> > > > > >>>>>> these experiences? How is it I find myself here and now --
> > with
> > > > you?
> > > > > >>>>>> It
> > > > > >>>>>> is
> > > > > >>>>>> about awakening and more awakening, and finding ways to
> > express
> > > > our
> > > > > >>>>>> awakening, and also of becoming more compassionate, mindful,
> > > > > >>>>>> conscious,
> > > > > >>>>>> present-to-our-lives. I guess I am talking about some kind of
> > > > > >>>>>> "enlightenment," a shared enlightenment, a collective
> > > > transcendence.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> All
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > >>>>>> us, together.
> > > > > >>>>>> I have a general critique of world capitalism, and, for all of
> > my
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> adult
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> life, I have been either actively attempting to promote a world
> > > > > >>>>>> revolution,
> > > > > >>>>>> or silently awaiting such a global movement to appear. But my
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> attraction
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> to
> > > > > >>>>>> such ideas and practices has not come from a sense of
> > > > other-oriented
> > > > > >>>>>> duty,
> > > > > >>>>>> but rather because these modes of thinking and acting were
> > > > inherently
> > > > > >>>>>> interesting, engaging, seductive, challenging. Radical
> > > > consciousness
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> has
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> its
> > > > > >>>>>> own rewards, as it speaks to who we are and who we want to be.
> > My
> > > > > >>>>>> interests
> > > > > >>>>>> range beyond what is "traditionally" seen as "political" or
> > > > "Marxist."
> > > > > >>>>>> Yes,
> > > > > >>>>>> I am drawn toward understanding history, radical social
> > movements,
> > > > > >>>>>> general
> > > > > >>>>>> critiques of capitalist society, alienated labor, the
> > commodity
> > > > form,
> > > > > >>>>>> class
> > > > > >>>>>> societies, etc. But I am also very much interested in other
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> philosophies
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> and
> > > > > >>>>>> viewpoints, like those of existentialism, phenomenology,
> > > > "primitive"
> > > > > >>>>>> societies, "New Age" thinking, etc., and I am also very
> > involved
> > > > in
> > > > > >>>>>> "Eastern" thought, such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Vedanta, Yoga,
> > > > Tantra,
> > > > > >>>>>> etc. I
> > > > > >>>>>> have found, in particular, that these "Eastern" approaches
> > have
> > > > potent
> > > > > >>>>>> techniques that can assist one who sees herself on a
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> self-transformative
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> path -- techniques such as meditation, yoga, ecstatic dance,
> > > > chanting,
> > > > > >>>>>> breathing, compassion-in-action, existential questioning,
> > > > integration
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> of
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> body/mind, consciousness transformation, etc. But, as I said, I
> > also
> > > > > >>>>>> remain
> > > > > >>>>>> "political." I have yet to integrate all these various strands
> > of
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> thought
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> and practice, stretching from Marxist critique to Buddhist
> > breathing
> > > > > >>>>>> meditation, etc., into a "coherent" viewpoint, except as they
> > all
> > > > > >>>>>> intersect
> > > > > >>>>>> in me. But whatever trend of thought I find myself exploring,
> > I
> > > > try to
> > > > > >>>>>> allow
> > > > > >>>>>> the ideas to sink into me, and to alter me in some way -- as
> > in,
> > > > to
> > > > > >>>>>> change
> > > > > >>>>>> my experience and my orientation toward life. Practice is the
> > key
> > > > --
> > > > > >>>>>> though
> > > > > >>>>>> personally I cannot put myself on any kind of pedestal in that
> > > > regard,
> > > > > >>>>>> politically or spiritually.
> > > > > >>>>>> So my endeavor is not to substitute the purely personal for
> > the
> > > > > >>>>>> political
> > > > > >>>>>> -- but rather, to develop a practice that aims for the
> > mutually
> > > > > >>>>>> integrative
> > > > > >>>>>> transcendence of both. Yes, I want to participate in a global
> > > > movement
> > > > > >>>>>> that
> > > > > >>>>>> might take us all beyond the constrictions of our current
> > daily
> > > > lives,
> > > > > >>>>>> and
> > > > > >>>>>> beyond the ever-threatening crisis of world capitalism. But I
> > am
> > > > also
> > > > > >>>>>> a
> > > > > >>>>>> human consciousness, living all the mystery that this
> > involves. I
> > > > am
> > > > > >>>>>> aware
> > > > > >>>>>> of my own existence, though I do not understand it, and cannot
> > > > explain
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> it
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> at
> > > > > >>>>>> all. But this is my life, I am living it now. I want to awaken
> > > > more
> > > > > >>>>>> and
> > > > > >>>>>> more
> > > > > >>>>>> to what this might "mean," and to awaken to what my
> > possibilities
> > > > are,
> > > > > >>>>>> right
> > > > > >>>>>> now, in this moment. So I am not only a historical being, but
> > also
> > > > an
> > > > > >>>>>> existential/spiritual being, searching for transcendence.. It
> > is a
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> matter
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > >>>>>> simultaneously locating myself, with others, on this
> > > > social-historical
> > > > > >>>>>> dimension, while also creating the forms of self-reflective
> > > > expression
> > > > > >>>>>> for
> > > > > >>>>>> what we feel "inside" -- to explore, embody, and express
> > certain
> > > > > >>>>>> potentials
> > > > > >>>>>> -- and also to create the path to the "other side of this
> > life" --
> > > > the
> > > > > >>>>>> path
> > > > > >>>>>> toward that which calls from just beyond the horizon of
> > > > consciousness,
> > > > > >>>>>> beyond these constricting social forms, beyond what we have
> > been
> > > > told
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> it
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> means to be a person in this society.
> > > > > >>>>>> So then, the question becomes, how does my path intersect with
> > > > others?
> > > > > >>>>>> With yours? What can we do individually and collectively to
> > > > > >>>>>> self-understand,
> > > > > >>>>>> self-create, self-transform? How do we mutually provoke,
> > enliven,
> > > > and
> > > > > >>>>>> express our need for transcendence? How to do this amidst this
> > > > > >>>>>> overwhelming
> > > > > >>>>>> and omnipresent capitalist society? How to engage in
> > > > > >>>>>> social/personal/transformative practice -- effectively?
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> So this is a little of me. And so, now, who are you? Who would
> > you
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> like
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> to be? What would you like to do? What can we do together? What
> > game
> > > > > >>>>>> do
> > > > > >>>>>> you
> > > > > >>>>>> want to play today?
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Namaste (I bow to you)
> > > > > >>>>>> Kathy
> > > > > >>>>>> =========================> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> best wishes,
> > > > > >>>>>> chris
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> On Jun 23, 2009, at 8:37 PM, Vikki Riley wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Hey Laurie
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Well I've been to San Fran and smelt the err petrol fumes err
> > I
> > > > mean
> > > > > >>>>>>> organic
> > > > > >>>>>>> garden aromas competing with latino noise and coke
> > > > addicts.....Wish
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> I'd
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> met
> > > > > >>>>>>> Kathy Kundalini I guess if she was in the Mission she'd be a
> > > > stripper
> > > > > >>>>>>> gyrating to alt rock no doubt..
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Laurie Colson <
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> I don't think Buddha is New Age, it's No Age, but I was
> > saying
> > > > that I
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> have
> > > > > >>>>>>>> known many New Agers that embrace Buddhist principles; while
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> belittling
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Christian ones. If I had a Phd. from Berkley--well I know it's
> > > > > >>>>>>>> different
> > > > > >>>>>>>> out
> > > > > >>>>>>>> there but I would put my real name in front of it. I
> > inferred a
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> NewAge
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> and
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Orgone reference in the psuedonym, Kundalini. I could not
> > help
> > > > but
> > > > > >>>>>>>> do
> > > > > >>>>>>>> so.
> > > > > >>>>>>>> You live in San Fran, and have a garden, fruit and nut
> > orchard?
> > > > > >>>>>>>> You receive Social Security, but are waiting till it is cut
> > off
> > > > to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> exit
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> dependency matrix? Callling me procapitalist? I don't have
> > > > capital
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> like
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> I
> > > > > >>>>>>>> don't have equity or own anything over a couple hundred
> > bucks,
> > > > for
> > > > > >>>>>>>> real.
> > > > > >>>>>>>> I
> > > > > >>>>>>>> receive social security also, and as told you my daughter
> > who
> > > > lives
> > > > > >>>>>>>> with
> > > > > >>>>>>>> me
> > > > > >>>>>>>> is taxpaying U.S.M.C. (I know, women usually have more
> > empathy
> > > > > >>>>>>>> regarding
> > > > > >>>>>>>> humans. She's only twenty. Empathy as exhibited in passage
> > from
> > > > you
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> to
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> another human ""The One" is such an asshole liar, always seeking
> > the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> attention that people defending themselves or views brings
> > back
> > > > to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> IT,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> liar.
> > > > > >>>>>>>> IT ought to try inserting ITS manhood up ITS own ass; it's
> > as
> > > > close
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> to
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> love
> > > > > >>>>>>>> as IT'll probably get, although I'm certain limp rape. But
> > then,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> IT'll
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> never
> > > > > >>>>>>>> call ITself the next day, and the world of IT-top and
> > IT-bottom,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> eternally
> > > > > >>>>>>>> dualistic, will be all who "care", if IT possesses even that
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> quality."
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> I am "insensitive/ignorant visionless capitalist fascist." I am
> > not
> > > > > >>>>>>>> guilty of ad-hominum attacks, at least. What's wrong with
> > Star
> > > > Wars?
> > > > > >>>>>>>> George
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Lucas is a visionary. So there. Are you saying lastly that
> > > > taking a
> > > > > >>>>>>>> shit
> > > > > >>>>>>>> is
> > > > > >>>>>>>> a procapitalistfascist movement? A good bowel movement is a
> > sign
> > > > of
> > > > > >>>>>>>> robust
> > > > > >>>>>>>> health.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> ________________________________
> > > > > >>>>>>>> From: Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> To: Situationist <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Cc: Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 2:00:06 AM
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kundalini,Orgone,Chi,Christ,Tesla
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> sadly, the Visionless One cannot comprehend that some people
> > use
> > > > > >>>>>>>> pseudonyms
> > > > > >>>>>>>> and aliases. In fact, ALL email uses aliasing to even work
> > at
> > > > all.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Some
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> people use anonymous servers. Others like to keep some privacy
> > so
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> they
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> get
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Yahoo, MSN/Hotmail, or Google/gmail email addresses. It's a
> > > > security
> > > > > >>>>>>>> measure
> > > > > >>>>>>>> as well. But then, when you cannot see a need for security 1
> > > > inch in
> > > > > >>>>>>>> front
> > > > > >>>>>>>> of your nose, well... perhaps the sense as well as the fun
> > both
> > > > get
> > > > > >>>>>>>> missed.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Kathy went on to get a library sciences masters degree and
> > used
> > > > it
> > > > > >>>>>>>> to
> > > > > >>>>>>>> get
> > > > > >>>>>>>> a
> > > > > >>>>>>>> job at the SF Chronicle for nearly 24 years before the
> > another
> > > > SFC
> > > > > >>>>>>>> demise-pending layoff of recent. Since we combine for less
> > than
> > > > 1/2
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> of
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> what
> > > > > >>>>>>>> either of use used to get, we are spending much time
> > gardening
> > > > food
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> so
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> we
> > > > > >>>>>>>> can save money and store food, carrying bath/shower water to
> > the
> > > > > >>>>>>>> rain
> > > > > >>>>>>>> barrel
> > > > > >>>>>>>> or directly to the garden fruits/nut trees, etc.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> When her unemployment runs out or when my Social Security is
> > cut
> > > > > >>>>>>>> off,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> we
> > > > > >>>>>>>> will lose the house and be on the street. For now, we are
> > trying
> > > > as
> > > > > >>>>>>>> cheaply
> > > > > >>>>>>>> as we can to get off the matrix of dependency so that we
> > have no
> > > > > >>>>>>>> food
> > > > > >>>>>>>> or
> > > > > >>>>>>>> utility bills, only a mortgage (bank as the landlord)
> > payment.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Buddhism is not New Age. That kind of snide disregard for
> > how a
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> greter
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> portion of the world sees reality is expected and typically
> > > > > >>>>>>>> insensitive/ignorant.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> I appreciate your undeterred interest. Women usually have
> > more
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> empathy
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> regarding humans. Cranking out idiots high on Doom, Star Wars,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Extreme
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Cage
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Fighting, and aggressive cynicism is why there is no
> > movement
> > > > today
> > > > > >>>>>>>> worth
> > > > > >>>>>>>> a
> > > > > >>>>>>>> shit, except for that movement itself, which is
> > proto-fascist
> > > > and
> > > > > >>>>>>>> pro-capitalist.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Send Kathy an email. She'd enjoy your views and comments.....
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> best,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> chris
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> On Jun 22, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Laurie Colson wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Baltimore? have you ever seen Pink Flamingos by John Waters?
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> According
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Chris Grey Kathy Kundalini is from Berkley, Ca, were she
> > > > attended
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> university
> > > > > >>>>>>>> in philosophy. I don't see how it is likely design students
> > and
> > > > New
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Agers
> > > > > >>>>>>>> and Sarte deconstructors engage with History and Class
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Conciousness,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> but
> > > > > >>>>>>>> she and others supposedly do in S.I. It's a big tent.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> ________________________________
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> From: Vikki Riley <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> To: Situationist <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 12:54:55 AM
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Kundalini,Orgone,Chi,Christ,Tesla
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Yeah right my real name is Victoria Viagra
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> What a load of New Age trash! Kathy Kundalini is probably
> > some
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> tranvestite
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> from where? Baltimore no doubt
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Laurie Colson <
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> lauriecolson-AT-yahoo.com
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> "Kathy's work includes several pieces that may be of use to
> > you
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> w/r/t
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> her ability to synthesize Buddhism, Native American
> > beliefs,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> phenomenology, Hegelian dialectics, and Situationist
> > theory:"
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> ...slowly i turned....
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Her name is seriously Kathy Kundalini? Man, I feel stupid
> > for
> > > > not
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> putting
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> all this together sooner, Orgone IS Kundalini, Chi, Prana,
> > > > Christ. I
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> just
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> haven't been thinking I guess. Reich split from Freud was
> > > > because he
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> claimed
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> libido was an actual measurable force, Orgone, which could
> > be
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> accumulated...
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> searching the internet, accumulators come in all variety,
> > and
> > > > price
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> range
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> addressing societal environment cancer illls. The romantic
> > in me
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> thinks
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> mythology of Reich is cool, but his is a mystic and
> > philosopher,
> > > > not
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> an
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> engineer or phycist. His accumulator is a low powered Tesla
> > > > coil,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > >
> > members.dslextreme.com/users/rogermw/Reich/orgone_field_meter.html
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> He thought orgone was being messed with from flying saucers.
> > > > Tesla
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> was
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> an
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> eccentric also. But an electrical engineer and physcst.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Aside from his work on electromagnetism and
> > electromechanical
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> engineering,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Tesla has contributed in varying degrees to the
> > establishment of
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> robotics,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> remote control, radar and computer science, and to the
> > expansion
> > > > of
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> ballistics, nuclear physics,[8] and theoretical physics. In
> > > > 1943,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Supreme Court of the United States credited him as being the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> inventor
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> radio.[9]
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Many of his achievements have been used, with some
> > > > controversy, to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> support various pseudosciences, UFO theories, and early
> > New
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Ageoccultism. <
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Why do New Agers shun and deny the Christ form of this light
> > > > energy,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> but
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> not buddha? Or laying on of hands? how differ from Reichi
> > etc.
> > > > I've
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> always
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> said I didn't believe in anything supernatural but I have no
> > way
> > > > of
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> knowing.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> But when speaking of Reich, well, people should be more
> > careful,
> > > > at
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> least
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> stating the nature of his work. Maybe I should get Ms.
> > > > Khundalini's
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> work
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> on
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Dialectic No More; or a cerebral torque wrench. I mean this
> > > > stuff,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> seriously. Maybe I'll go read some Allan Ginsburg, or
> > listen to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Tesla
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> records. Just cause I love Kate Bush's Cloudbusting doesn't mean
> > I
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> should
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> have posted it in defense of Reich.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
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