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Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act
Unfortunately, this topic is
always inflammatory to a great extent because it etches at something
deeper than religion, a term best not reduced to "spirituality" and
more towards the essence of the existential "being meets becoming",
that desire to "be connected" to our selves, our very species, to all
life, to life itself, and with the greater universe. I may have been
inflamed when I sent out my last response to Andrew (sorry lad), but it
shows why rulers use that alienated/unfulfilled need to mould social
actions for their ends. Contrawise (i.e., being fortunate that it
enflames) It proves why it is the best intervention arena around. It
speaks directly to Marx's observations of alienation, as stated in
Erich Fromm's "Marx's Concept of Man" (Frederick Ungar Publishing
Company; 17th printing; 1971) and Bertell Ollman's "Alienation: Marx's Conception of Man in a Capitalist
Society" (Cambridge
University Press; 2nd edition; 1977). I have no qualm with us all
trying to achieve those connections. That's humanity reaching for each
other and the stars: noble and truly becoming human. I detest theocracy
in all forms. They're masters. They're the deified "de-deified" for a
more direct rule "over" humanity on Earth. Paraphrasing from the
Situationists, they're pre-commodities with real alienated power at
their fingertips. They hold back "becoming human". They, even in
political form, maintain the objectified and inversion.
best,
chris gray
Chris wrote:
best,
chris gray
Chris wrote:
Once again, a brief response/question, to give everybody else the distributed audience real-estate they seem to require: do you consider it at all possible that to criticize certain samplings of a religion's subjects as the "best examples" of a religion is to validate only their interpretation, rather than to make the sweeping, grandiose statement you would like to make about the product of a body of thought immensely larger than the entirety of your life experience? On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Andrew oommen andrewomm-AT-gmail.com"><andrewomm-AT-gmail.com> wrote:you don't know me, so keep your ass away. 2008/4/23 richard haden richard_haden-AT-yahoo.com"><richard_haden-AT-yahoo.com>:Ooman of the OH>>MAN tribe, Bare with me while I try to add a little light on the subject(Perhaps in a scatological sense— a little Sepia instead)Perhaps it is with my ass or brown eye that I spot and judge thee afollower of the worlds great religions—as cultural artfact of tolerance. I tolerate and console those who wish merely to survive and not live…but in their silence I occupy a grater space of freedom. The Christian and Muslim Religions, by far the least interesting of his or her stories, managed back in the day, through a newly bartering publicist , a lobbying campaign, any corporate tobacco CEO would admire—to launch an improved, streamlined myth to rule the peasantry—to better subjugate, circumscribe and repress with there pre-Birkenstock(ian) sandal. To re-institutionalize and Market a vehicle of greater manipulate-able religious nicotine like substance…To the astonishment of conscience minds (minds eye) we today are constantly reminded of how truly active is the pursuit of that great "Darwin Award". http://www.darwinawards.com/Oh so easy to atomize through the medium of Ka-Boom; a view of theworld how ever it is after the fact.I am still leaning towards a Univocity or a nominalistic vectoring toavoid the stains. I look for the rot on the root of ….inside. http://users.rcn.com/bmetcalf.ma.ultranet/What%20is%20Univocity.htm If we want to understand Deleuze's philosophy, it is important to come to terms with his Spinozist Univocity. Or Or that the genus (Bi Pedal) Species (Things with wings that look anthropomorphic) are substance abusing, homeomorhphic, delusions.Something like that Richard Haden ——- Original Message —— From: Andrew oommen andrewomm-AT-gmail.com"><andrewomm-AT-gmail.com> To: Situationist situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org"><situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:51:52 AM Subject: Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal,but last actYou are not arguing with anyone but yourself. none of this disproves anypoint from before. you are wrong.For your ignorance, i point you to Reza Aslan, who provides twotranslations of the same passage from the Koran."Men are the support of women [qawwamuna 'ala an-nisa] as God gives somemore means than others, and because they spend of their wealth (to provide for them)…. As for women you feel are averse, talk to them suasively; then leave them alone in bed (without molesting them) and go to bed with them (when they are willing).Men are in charge of women, because Allah has made some of them excel theothers, and because they spend some of their wealth… And for those [women] that you fear might rebel, admonish them and abandon them in their beds and beat them [adribuhunna]" (No God but God, pg 69-70) (all authors original notes).Clearly people interpret different things. Your authors take one extremisttranslation and call it a pillar holding up the entire religion. This author looks at all sides and looks at its contextual history, not its political "idiocracy" that has existed in Western culture.Concedingly religion is not the solution to the worlds problems, butnonetheless, it is not this savage beast you paint it as. Your ignorance is so blatant that you don't answer the real arguments i make against your position. i say you are intolerant while calling for tolerance (terrorizing in the name of democracy, etc.). i say that your game theory is antihuman (like capital). i also argue you dont know anything about totalizing critiques (deleuze, debord, etc.). you have only made yourself look like an ass. stop beating your head against the wall and go outside to real a book, because none of these online sources will help you deal with you pathology.On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Christopher Gray rasputin-AT-teleport.com"><rasputin-AT-teleport.com>wrote:It is Islam, probably be better named "Abyslam". Read the tenets andcore. The fundamentalists are not "bad examples" of the religion, nut its "best examples". Fortified reification is not warm'n'fuzzy; it's an abomination of inverted humanness, and casts a murderous shadow o'er authentic living. The triad of reifications from the Middle East are co-dependently wretched at their very common core. They seethed forth from a desertified human geography such that sacrifice, scarcity, hording, and rigid hierarchy permeate them all to varying degrees. They are the practice of death culture.
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the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / Christopher Gray / 22 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / "Andrew oommen" <andrewomm-AT-gmail.com> / 23 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com> / 23 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / Chris <chris-AT-christopherjee.com> / 24 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com> / 24 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com> / 24 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / "Andrew oommen" <andrewomm-AT-gmail.com> / 24 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / Francisco Tellechea <tellechea-AT-mac.com> / 24 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / "Andrew oommen" <andrewomm-AT-gmail.com> / 24 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / Lance <wearecareful-AT-yahoo.com> / 24 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com> / 24 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / Chris <chris-AT-christopherjee.com> / 24 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / "Andrew oommen" <andrewomm-AT-gmail.com> / 24 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / Chris <chris-AT-christopherjee.com> / 24 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / "Maxwell Despard" <mdespard-AT-gmail.com> / 23 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / richard haden <richard_haden-AT-yahoo.com> / 24 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / "Andrew oommen" <andrewomm-AT-gmail.com> / 24 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / Chris <chris-AT-christopherjee.com> / 24 Apr 2008
RE: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / Robert Smith <history_ssag-AT-hotmail.com> / 24 Apr 2008
Let's abolish money! / Robert Smith <history_ssag-AT-hotmail.com> / 24 Apr 2008
• Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com> / 24 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com> / 24 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / "Maxwell Despard" <mdespard-AT-gmail.com> / 24 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com> / 24 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / "Andrew oommen" <andrewomm-AT-gmail.com> / 24 Apr 2008
Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com> / 25 Apr 2008
Chomsky? / zoe white <jpiersall1031-AT-yahoo.com> / 06 May 2008
Re: Chomsky? / Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com> / 07 May 2008
Democratic schools / Robert Smith <history_ssag-AT-hotmail.com> / 08 May 2008
Lack of sense of Humor on the manufactured left / zoe white <jpiersall1031-AT-yahoo.com> / 11 May 2008
Re: Lack of sense of Humor on the manufactured left / "Vikki Riley" <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> / 11 May 2008
Re: Lack of sense of Humor on the manufactured left / Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com> / 11 May 2008
Re: Lack of sense of Humor on the manufactured left / "Vikki Riley" <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> / 12 May 2008
Re: Lack of sense of Humor on the manufactured left / Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com> / 12 May 2008
Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo. / zoe white <jpiersall1031-AT-yahoo.com> / 14 May 2008
Re: Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo. / "Vikki Riley" <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> / 15 May 2008
Re: Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo. / Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com> / 15 May 2008
Re: Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo [revised] / Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com> / 15 May 2008
Re: Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo [revised] / Kym Hammond <kymhammond2007-AT-gmail.com> / 16 May 2008
Re: Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo [revised] / Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com> / 15 May 2008
Re: Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo [revised] / Kym Hammond <kymhammond2007-AT-gmail.com> / 16 May 2008
Re: Lack of sense of Humor on the manufactured left / kym <kymhammond-AT-digisurf.com.au> / 12 May 2008
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