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Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act

From: "Andrew oommen" <andrewomm-AT-gmail.com>
Date: 24 Apr 2008 03:51:52 UTC   (08:51:52 PM in author's locale)
To: Situationist <situationist-AT-lists.nothingness.org>
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You are not arguing with anyone but yourself. none of this disproves any point from before. you are wrong.
For your ignorance, i point you to Reza Aslan, who provides two translations of the same passage from the Koran.

"Men are the support of women [qawwamuna 'ala an-nisa] as God gives some more means than others, and because they spend of their wealth (to provide for them)…. As for women you feel are averse, talk to them suasively; then leave them alone in bed (without molesting them) and go to bed with them (when they are willing).

Men are in charge of women, because Allah has made some of them excel the others, and because they spend some of their wealth… And for those [women] that you fear might rebel, admonish them and abandon them in their beds and beat them [adribuhunna]" (No God but God, pg 69-70) (all authors original notes).

Clearly people interpret different things. Your authors take one extremist translation and call it a pillar holding up the entire religion. This author looks at all sides and looks at its contextual history, not its political "idiocracy" that has existed in Western culture.
Concedingly religion is not the solution to the worlds problems, but nonetheless, it is not this savage beast you paint it as. Your ignorance is so blatant that you don't answer the real arguments i make against your position. i say you are intolerant while calling for tolerance (terrorizing in the name of democracy, etc.). i say that your game theory is antihuman (like capital). i also argue you dont know anything about totalizing critiques (deleuze, debord, etc.). you have only made yourself look like an ass. stop beating your head against the wall and go outside to real a book, because none of these online sources will help you deal with you pathology.

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com">rasputin-AT-teleport.com> wrote:
It is Islam, probably be better named "Abyslam". Read the tenets and core. The fundamentalists are not "bad examples" of the religion, nut its "best examples". Fortified reification is not warm'n'fuzzy; it's an abomination of inverted humanness, and casts a murderous shadow o'er authentic living. The triad of reifications from the Middle East are co-dependently wretched at their very common core. They seethed forth from a desertified human geography such that sacrifice, scarcity, hording, and rigid hierarchy permeate them all to varying degrees. They are the practice of death culture.

For an especially 'from-the-source' expose of Islam, read #9 below:
  1. The Violent Oppression of Women Under Islam — YouTube-banned film
  2. To Come to End with God's Ghost — The Paris Group of the Surrealist Group
  3. The Islamic Mein Kampf — web film
  4. Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West — web film
  5. The Misery of Islam — by Al-Djouhall (1989)
  6. The Other Jihad — Islam's War on the Hindus — a review by Janet Levy of Moorthy Muthuswamy's The Art of War on Terror: Triumphing over Political Islam and the Axis of Jihad (January 04, 2008)
  7. The Cutting Tradition — Islamic Genital Mutilation — by Sara Corbett; Introduction/Afterword by James DeMeo (January 2008)
  8. Priorities of the Islamic Movement in the Coming Phase — by Yusuf al-Qaradawi (subjugative writings straight from the mouths of its "army" and the MAS — Muslim American Society)
  9. Submission to and Maintenance of Suffering, Ignorance, and Imperialist Abuse: The Glorious Core and Legacy of Mohammedanism (pdf, html) — by Colin Maine. The time for bowing-and-scraping is over. Humanity shall stand on its feet and the remnants of tyrannies like Islam and any ideologies that with spines of jello, condone its existence and the conditions that breed its socio-emotional plague into the human community. Away with the dictatorship of Allah! Originally released in 1979 with the title, "The Dead Hand of Islam".
Also, see <http://www.lust-for-life.org/Lust-For-Life/Atheist/Atheist.htm>.
Further reading is highly recommended in:
Films

Chris wrote:
Very quickly, so obvious that I am wondering why I am saying it: I am interpreting a constant confusion between Islam and certain Islamic people. It's very appealing to label these actions and socially disruptive forces as a function of a single factor, but I'm dismayed at the implication that the removal/subjugation of but one factor would have any real effect. Take away Islam from poor, intolerant people and you still have poor, intolerant, more to the point, easily incited people with a bone to pick with their perceived oppressors.
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com" onclick="return newWindow(this.href);">rasputin-AT-teleport.com> wrote:
Emigration is a weapon used by national capitalist forces to force another national capital to immigrate that excess of unemployed. It is a way of shoving a financial burden elsewhere. It is a national act of undeclared war. In this case it is globalists warring against all nation-states to make way fro the new form of rule: the regional union. The EU plan is being deployed everywhere and in all cases there will be five who rules the region, all reporting to David Rockefeller and/or his successor. First off, why is Islam being treated as a "race". It is not a race. Is "Christian" a race? No, Is "Judaism" a race? No. They're the practice of a worldview. Both the French nation-state and Islam are enemies. An immigrant is not necessarily an Islamic person, so this is not even an immigration issue. It is an issue of encirclement by Islam from within. If you've ever played the Japanese game, "Go", you know what I'm talking about. "Invasion" of one worldview of the real estate predominantly held by other worldviews has been going on way before England, the USA, and France existed, so this is not a national question either. It is one of intolerance. The toleration of an intolerant-of-any-worldviews-besides its own is exactly the issue. Islam sucks, plain and simple. It always has. Its very tenets are based around rigid hierarchy, sexual slavery, and the subjugation of disbelievers. So, under today's conditions where
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• Re: the left jab preceding the right jab: not dress-rehearsal, but last act / "Andrew oommen" <andrewomm-AT-gmail.com> / 24 Apr 2008
Let's abolish money! / Robert Smith <history_ssag-AT-hotmail.com> / 24 Apr 2008
Chomsky? / zoe white <jpiersall1031-AT-yahoo.com> / 06 May 2008
Re: Chomsky? / Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com> / 07 May 2008
Democratic schools / Robert Smith <history_ssag-AT-hotmail.com> / 08 May 2008
Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo. / zoe white <jpiersall1031-AT-yahoo.com> / 14 May 2008
Re: Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo. / "Vikki Riley" <riley.vikki-AT-gmail.com> / 15 May 2008
Re: Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo. / Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com> / 15 May 2008
Re: Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo [revised] / Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com> / 15 May 2008
Re: Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo [revised] / Christopher Gray <rasputin-AT-teleport.com> / 15 May 2008

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