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=46rom: "David Rajjou" <David.Rajjou-AT-wanadoo.fr>
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:07:23 -0000
Le mouvement libertaire de gauche puise ses racines les plus fortes dans la
lutte contre le fascisme et l'autoritarisme.
Son heure de gloire en Espagne est meme directement liee a une conception
combattante de la resistance aux idees fascistes et xenophobes.
Cette pretendue "publicite" a donc parfaitement sa place sur ce forum et
tous les authentiques anarchistes doivent s'en feliciter.
NO PASARAN et Salutations
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Date : mercredi 22 juillet 1998 06:07
Objet : (fr) Re : Unidentified subject!
>>From: "G.A." <cimagin-AT-mail.dotcom.fr>
>Organization: cimage ltd
>Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:55:21 -100
>
>Le Cercle d'Etudes Juridiques sur le Front National, sous couvert de
>recherches universitaires, n'a pour seul but que de "descendre" ce
>parti. Il suffit pour s'en convaincre de lire les themes proposes
>particulierement les sujets 3-4 et 5 .
>
>Il ne s'agit pas la d'une "analyse scientifique rigoureuse" mais
>plutot par quels moyens allons-nous nous debarasser d'eux?
>
>Ce genre de publicite n'a pas sa place sur un forum consacre a
>l'Anarchie.
>
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>From: "Harold E. French" <Audrone-AT-worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:13:13 -0700
Dear Comrades,
I have just recently completed a study of Rousseau's basic political
writings (Mostly the following works: Discourse on the Origin of
Inequality, Discourse on Political Economy, and On the Social Contract).
My primary emphasis was on Rousseau's concept of freedom. I found it to
be a fascinating study. Highly recommended.
I have reached the conclusion that freedom according to Rousseau and
freedom according to the classical anarchists (Godwin, Proudhon, and
Bakunin) are closely related types of freedom. I am aware of the tension
between Godwin/ Proudhon and Rousseau, but is it possible that Godwin
and Proudhon took Rousseau's theory of freedom and improved upon it? The
terminology is different, but the similarities are uncanny. The
chronology fits, and both Godwin and Proudhon were aware of Rousseau's
work.
Does anyone know of literature exploring the similarities and
differences between Rousseau's concept of freedom and the classical
anarchist's concept of freedom? Or of Rousseau's possible positive
influence upon the early anarchists?
Does anyone have any thoughts on the similarities and differences
between Rousseau's concept of freedom and the classical anarchist's
concept of freedom?
Your brother in anarchism,
Harold
PS. I went to the archives to research this question, and I could not
locate a search engine. For example, I could not find a place where I
could type in "Rousseau" and sort out every post containing references
to Rousseau. Do the archives have this capability? If so, how do I
access it? If not, any plans on getting it?
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>From: Ferreira <mfmendes-AT-mail.club-internet.fr
Salut Camarades,
Je vous ecris pour vous demander de nous aider pour notre
publication semi-annuelle dont le nom est "Perspectives sur la Theorie
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>From: Stefan Merten <merten-AT-dfki.uni-kl.de>
Hi Alejandro!
2 days ago Research on Anarchism List wrote:
> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:00:20 0200
> From: Alejandro Rivero <arg19-AT-tid.es>
>
>> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:05:15 0200
>> From: Stefan Merten <merten-AT-dfki.uni-kl.de>
>>
>> >> Personally I think this is a very dangerous position, because it
>> >> assumes that others are equal to you - which is a false assumption in
>> >> general and in particular when looking at members of different
>> >> cultures.
>
> Sorry more word-playing (you guys are going to hate me),
Actually I feel sorry for you ;-) .
> but would
> you agree if instead of "equal" we uses "no quantitatively different",
> where for a quantitative difference we understand a measurable
> additive one (such as weight)?
No, because that implies that you have some means to measure, i.e.
reduce a complex situation to a number, which is - contrary to popular
believe - seldom possible.
> A money assignment is a result of a bartering, or of a bidding proceess,
> or generically of the law of offer/demand, if you prefer. It is not
> linearly
> related with the properties of the "valued" object.
Come on Alejandro, do you really believe that liberal crap? Did you
ever hear of Marx' analysis of capitalism and especially the value
theory? If not you should at least read it.
Alejandro, once more I have the impression, that you sucked up the
(neo-)liberal ideology to a high degree. Are you really sure, that you
are against capitalism, i.e. a society based on maximizing profit?
Mit li(e)bert"aren Gr"u"sen
Stefan
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>From: Stefan Merten <merten-AT-dfki.uni-kl.de>
Hi Elizabeth!
Yesterday Research on Anarchism List wrote:
> From: "Elizabeth Ann" <bethann2-AT-hotmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:52:35 PDT
>
> Would you all agree that all people are equal in Potential? I think
> taking advantage of this point to direct people in ways that would best
> suite them (such as having no limitations forced upon them, not being
> forced into classes or stereotypes, not having propaganda fed to them
> daily, etc.) is probably most important. At the time, certainly
> individuals have qualities others do not, it is what makes mankind
> interesting (and testing at the same time), but all have potential to
> live to their fullest, and we must make that known.
This sounds really interesting :-) .
It points in the direction of the IMHO infinite possibilities human
minds have.
Mit li(e)bert"aren Gr"u"sen
Stefan
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:07:23 -0000
Le mouvement libertaire de gauche puise ses racines les plus fortes dans la
lutte contre le fascisme et l'autoritarisme.
Son heure de gloire en Espagne est meme directement liee a une conception
combattante de la resistance aux idees fascistes et xenophobes.
Cette pretendue "publicite" a donc parfaitement sa place sur ce forum et
tous les authentiques anarchistes doivent s'en feliciter.
NO PASARAN et Salutations
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Date : mercredi 22 juillet 1998 06:07
Objet : (fr) Re : Unidentified subject!
>>From: "G.A." <cimagin-AT-mail.dotcom.fr>
>Organization: cimage ltd
>Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:55:21 -100
>
>Le Cercle d'Etudes Juridiques sur le Front National, sous couvert de
>recherches universitaires, n'a pour seul but que de "descendre" ce
>parti. Il suffit pour s'en convaincre de lire les themes proposes
>particulierement les sujets 3-4 et 5 .
>
>Il ne s'agit pas la d'une "analyse scientifique rigoureuse" mais
>plutot par quels moyens allons-nous nous debarasser d'eux?
>
>Ce genre de publicite n'a pas sa place sur un forum consacre a
>l'Anarchie.
>
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Subject: (en) Anarchist freedom and Rousseau
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>From: "Harold E. French" <Audrone-AT-worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:13:13 -0700
Dear Comrades,
I have just recently completed a study of Rousseau's basic political
writings (Mostly the following works: Discourse on the Origin of
Inequality, Discourse on Political Economy, and On the Social Contract).
My primary emphasis was on Rousseau's concept of freedom. I found it to
be a fascinating study. Highly recommended.
I have reached the conclusion that freedom according to Rousseau and
freedom according to the classical anarchists (Godwin, Proudhon, and
Bakunin) are closely related types of freedom. I am aware of the tension
between Godwin/ Proudhon and Rousseau, but is it possible that Godwin
and Proudhon took Rousseau's theory of freedom and improved upon it? The
terminology is different, but the similarities are uncanny. The
chronology fits, and both Godwin and Proudhon were aware of Rousseau's
work.
Does anyone know of literature exploring the similarities and
differences between Rousseau's concept of freedom and the classical
anarchist's concept of freedom? Or of Rousseau's possible positive
influence upon the early anarchists?
Does anyone have any thoughts on the similarities and differences
between Rousseau's concept of freedom and the classical anarchist's
concept of freedom?
Your brother in anarchism,
Harold
PS. I went to the archives to research this question, and I could not
locate a search engine. For example, I could not find a place where I
could type in "Rousseau" and sort out every post containing references
to Rousseau. Do the archives have this capability? If so, how do I
access it? If not, any plans on getting it?
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>From: Ferreira <mfmendes-AT-mail.club-internet.fr
Salut Camarades,
Je vous ecris pour vous demander de nous aider pour notre
publication semi-annuelle dont le nom est "Perspectives sur la Theorie
Anarchiste". Cette publication est diffusee par L'Institut des Etudes
Anarchistes. L'Institut des Etudes Anarchistes est une
fondation qui offre des bourses a des ecrivains dont les oeuvres portent
sur l'importance de la critique anarchiste de la domination. Nous publions
Perspectives sur la Theorie Anarchiste
pour encourager un dialogue sur les etudes anarchistes.
Chaque edition contient des articles sur les nouveaux livres, les
evenements a venir, et les nouvelles publications. Nous nous interessons
aussi aux conferences, aux derniers rapports des "web sites," et d'autres
evenements relevants. Par consequent, nous voudrions des information sur
les sujets suivants:
Anarchisme historique et contemporain
Anti-racisme et multiculturalisme
Anti-imperialisme
L'Ecologie Radicale
Les Intellectuels parmi le Public et La Critique Des Academiques
Les Etudes Radicales sur les Sexes
Le Marxisme de l'Occident
Et d'autres sujets relevants
Vous pouvez envoyer vos informations par "email" a
ias-AT-empireone.net. Les informations sur
L'Institut des Etudes Anarchistes sont sur notre "website" a
www.empireone.net/~ias/Default.htm
Je vous remercie et j'attends de vos nouvelles.
En Solidarite,
Rebecca DeWitt
(IAS Coordinator)
______________________________________
Institute for Anarchist Studies
P.O. Box 7050
Albany, NY
12225 - USA
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>From: Stefan Merten <merten-AT-dfki.uni-kl.de>
Hi Alejandro!
2 days ago Research on Anarchism List wrote:
> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:00:20 0200
> From: Alejandro Rivero <arg19-AT-tid.es>
>
>> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:05:15 0200
>> From: Stefan Merten <merten-AT-dfki.uni-kl.de>
>>
>> >> Personally I think this is a very dangerous position, because it
>> >> assumes that others are equal to you - which is a false assumption in
>> >> general and in particular when looking at members of different
>> >> cultures.
>
> Sorry more word-playing (you guys are going to hate me),
Actually I feel sorry for you ;-) .
> but would
> you agree if instead of "equal" we uses "no quantitatively different",
> where for a quantitative difference we understand a measurable
> additive one (such as weight)?
No, because that implies that you have some means to measure, i.e.
reduce a complex situation to a number, which is - contrary to popular
believe - seldom possible.
> A money assignment is a result of a bartering, or of a bidding proceess,
> or generically of the law of offer/demand, if you prefer. It is not
> linearly
> related with the properties of the "valued" object.
Come on Alejandro, do you really believe that liberal crap? Did you
ever hear of Marx' analysis of capitalism and especially the value
theory? If not you should at least read it.
Alejandro, once more I have the impression, that you sucked up the
(neo-)liberal ideology to a high degree. Are you really sure, that you
are against capitalism, i.e. a society based on maximizing profit?
Mit li(e)bert"aren Gr"u"sen
Stefan
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:37:43 0200
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Subject: (en) Re: is discarded.
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:41:38 0200
>From: Stefan Merten <merten-AT-dfki.uni-kl.de>
Hi Elizabeth!
Yesterday Research on Anarchism List wrote:
> From: "Elizabeth Ann" <bethann2-AT-hotmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:52:35 PDT
>
> Would you all agree that all people are equal in Potential? I think
> taking advantage of this point to direct people in ways that would best
> suite them (such as having no limitations forced upon them, not being
> forced into classes or stereotypes, not having propaganda fed to them
> daily, etc.) is probably most important. At the time, certainly
> individuals have qualities others do not, it is what makes mankind
> interesting (and testing at the same time), but all have potential to
> live to their fullest, and we must make that known.
This sounds really interesting :-) .
It points in the direction of the IMHO infinite possibilities human
minds have.
Mit li(e)bert"aren Gr"u"sen
Stefan
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